The ALP seems to be a dictatorship after expelling members from their party.
This had come about, that those expelled had placed themselves outside the party by actively opposing the party and/or the endorsed labor candidate.

We can see clearly that democracy is long gone with the ALP and we can assume the same with the liberal party. These ex members had the right of democracy and have their say but seems that this is not the case and as I have said before these 2 majors are dictatorships unto themselves.

With this one has to ask what about us the people, well it seems if we do not obey, then you get what you get, nothing, but that is not something new.

The Labor party is a disgrace and these people are quite welcome with The Australian Peoples Party as this is what we strive and fight for.

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"The Australian Peoples Party"

Sorry, but I would have reservations about joining a party suffering from punctuation deficiency.

oligarch, you are too demanding. poor tapp is suffering from inadequate education and/or intelligence- but he is suffering, and is not the only one left out by the ruling oligarchy.

he is presumably human and australian and deserving of some respect and attention. you, on the other hand, seem to be suffering from tertiary smugness, a disease that often descends into terminal arrogance. tapp can vote in my idea of democracy, but perhaps the electorate would disqualify you as insane. we certainly wouldn't buy you a beer.

Thanks DEMOS

Poor ole Oligarch is that it punctuation, well it seems that if thats all you can say, that is wrong or bad about THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLES PARTY then i will be holding a membership for you.

The true colours comming out about the dictatorship of the Labor Party.

My puctuation well i am sorry, but if you dont like someone giving you the truth (I know a dirty word) but being ex army med discharged, i call it as it is and that is my word.

Democracy is about choice and being able to have a voice but with these dictatorships if you voice it, expect expulsion.

Choice and democracy is

THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLES PARTY

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Without shame Tapp I took part in the election in this seat.
And while from the opposite side of politics, that is within the ALP of the once ALP and past member I once called him mate.
Your post and its heading, with nothing but respect for this forum and our freedom to be heard here.
Is both ill informed and questions your honesty or understanding of politics.
I have watched your posts run free ads for members and candidates for your party.
It is proof your rambling is dis joined and not bringing a flood of followers.
I advise you Sir that honesty and policy's is a great way to bring membership.
I will refrain from using this forum to tell why this event took place but am proud the ALP held the seat against all comers and all odds.
Remember Tapp, won in the only forum that matters, tested by the electorate and elected by the voters.
What crime do you charge them with?
All party's have rules for members it has been a long term and often used rule that if you run against the party or support some one who does you are expelled.
Tapp what would your party's rule be if it was your party?
The Australian Labor Party will always be content to let the voters judge us.

I had to post again ,that idiot who had a go at Tapp about not putting the dots in the right place.
I proudly left school at age 12 years and ten months, and Tapp is not the only one to serve Australia, do you think it matters that our education was not like yours?
I do! I would jump under a train before letting myself become such a boring grub.
Tapp stop insulting the vast majority of voters with one sided rubbish.
Knowing those who left the party after the seat of Newcastle event I can assure you most would not even talk to you.
It is my hope after time passes they will again be ALP members.
You must look for voters other than Liberal and ALP.

Belly if the people do not have a right to have their say then they are being run by a dictatorship.

The Australian Peoples Party welcomes people who when they believe it is wrong will stand and voice their complaints without being expelled.

So Belly if people do not have choice then you get those who tell you what to say
tell you what to do
tell you how to act

this is wrong.
I can understand if these people did something criminal but using there democratic voice well!!

this is something Labor does not have

You will do as you are told or you will be expelled.

By the way Belly the Newcastle herald had a big right up about it

But then did discuss about the health policy
what policy its all talk their is no policy

Truth Belly now come on

Members and candidates wanted Australia wide to stand up against dictatorships.

These people will be required to stand and represent their electorate and this nation of ours

Not Just a political dictatorship like the others

This is what I expect from TAPPS candidates.

Like the State election the candidate in question will not comment due to being told KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT OR YOU WILL BE EXPELLED as which was said, but not in those words.

THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLES PARTY stands for the people where the Labor and Liberal party's stand for the Labor and Liberal party's.

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Tapp again if you do not understand the issues stay out of the debate.
Your threads heading is infamous, and a lie, if I ever thought your party to be a threat I would only need to save your posts to defame you.
Or is it unmask?
Say for a second I was in your party, held a seat too, had a habit of taking you on in public.
Made a choice to leave, told you so and informed you who would replace me.

Tapp you have no understanding of the issue, to defame the whole party is so very weak.
In the midst of the campaign remember and mark it down in your memory.
Labor voters, the most important people in any party, some even unhappy about the issue.
Returned its candidate.
Mate true ,no dislike no wish to hurt you are going to suffer with your party unless you understand your open dislike of the two sides Australia puts in office is hopelessly blind.
Think about party's that had momentum like one nation and once the Democrats.
Today it is like it or not the greens.
What chance for a party that dislikes every one?

BELLY YOU ARE GRASPING

I will post that complete article for the people to make up their mind.

If the Labor party does not want to add any other comments thats your problem

But due to writing letters against well, whats the harm.

Its called democracy, not dictatorship.

And with TAPP well you are wrong. TAPP is all about Democracy and if somebody disagrees that is their right, one can see that you havnt read TAPPS constitution, well thats your fault.

When i say this party is about the people thats what i mean not like you, you vote for the party.

TAPPS candidates may be party members but their responsibility is to their people,community,neighbourhood,electorate.

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Tapp is it rage that drives you in some posts? or something else?
At the last ALP state conference I spoke to the candidate that the issue is about.
It was debated on the floor and have no doubt the issues behind it are much different than your rant.
During the campaign I like many others worked for the party's new candidate.
I MUST not tell the whole story here defamation laws exist and respect for the forum is a must.
You intend I take it to print a newspaper story? can you truly think any papers story can be totally true?
our Medea is slanted and even the best can not be believed.
A candidate left, then for his own reasons wanted to come back.
Are you discounting the outcome?"
do you understand even with your idea that the party was so wrong voters elected the party's choice?
In fact beat a past member and one who toyed with the idea of running for Labor?
A hard tough fight in no way easy yet the voters said loudly ALP
are you sure your understanding of politics is firm enough to run a party?
Find another dream Stu.

Party purge hits Labor heartland

Author: By GABRIEL WINGATE-PEARSE
Date: 14/04/2007
Publication: Newcastle Herald

THE Australian Labor Party (ALP) expelled more than 30 Newcastle members from its ranks yesterday as the fallout from the public sacking of Bryce Gaudry and the endorsement of Jodi McKay continues.
The list, supplied by the NSW ALP office, includes only 15 of the 40 people who resigned from the Carrington branch.

The other 18, including Newcastle ALP councillor Barbara Gaudry and former federal member for Newcastle Allan Morris, did not resign from the party.

They were deemed by the NSW Administrative Committee, which met in Sydney yesterday, to have "placed themselves outside of the party" by actively campaigning against the party, or against Ms McKay.
Some openly supported former member for Newcastle Bryce Gaudry in his campaign for the seat as an independent candidate.

But according to NSW Labor assistant general secretary Karl Bitar, not all of the 33 people listed had necessarily assisted Mr Gaudry in his campaign.

They may have done something as simple as writing a letter criticising the ALP, or be guilty of some other anti-party act

Continued

Party purge hits Labor heartland

All had a right to appeal the decision, Mr Bitar said.
Most were from the state seat of Newcastle, with just one man, Norman Castles, from Swansea.

Mr Castles, 84, said he had been a member of the party for at least 30 years, and handed out how-to-vote cards for ALP candidate Robert Coombs on election day at Swansea High School.

Mr Castles said he was shocked at the party's decision, but couldn't see himself being able to travel to Sydney to appeal it.

"I have worked hard for the ALP over the years," Mr Castles said.
"It's unexpected."

Mr Castles is a prolific letter writer to The Herald who has voiced his concern over Ms McKay's endorsement but has also written letters supporting the ALP.

Cr Gaudry has indicated she will appeal her expulsion and will continue sitting on Newcastle City Council as an independent.

RANK AND FILED

NSW Labor Party statement: "It has been brought to the attention of the party officers that the following members have placed themselves outside the party by actively opposing the party and/or the endorsed Labor candidates during the 2007 state election"

So this is the complete article except for the list of names.

Do as your told or be expelled.

Democracy I dont think so.

By the way send your address and i will send some sizzors to cut those strings.

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Tapp clearly I am wasting my time, you do not listen to others views and debate is one sided with you.
Here are some points you may care to think about.
For debates sake I will forget why the past member never ran as an ALP candidate this time.
He however ran as an independent.
His branch ran his booths on election day.
A strong independent who was once going to run for the ALP ran too
The Greens ran a strong campaign directing preferences to independent number one.
The ALP candidate won, independent number 2 ran second.
Your friend and past ALP candidate ran third.
Greens polled the best I can remember in this seat.
so is it not true in the seat of Newcastle voters endorsed the ALP? and its actions?
It was an unhappy campaign reasons I truly think even you if you knew them would support for a new candidate exist.
And yes head office did not use the existing system to pick a runner.
I know why and agree.
Your disjointed dislike of Labor taken on board I still believe if you had all the facts, and Tapp you so very rarely do!
You would support the party line.
throw your mud ,harvest the half truths from our Medea but know a long term party rule says run against the party and you are gone.
do you have party rules?
would you welcome those who ran against you back into the fold after you won against them?
are facts Worth while in Tapp?

Whoever said that politics in Australia was about democracy? I must have missed something somewhere.
Just imagine the fun Dictator Rudd will have when the ALP has control of the entire country.

Well said Communicat

Belly That was the article also you would have noticed the statement that the party said.

So I am looking at the picture but Belly you are looking only at union and Labor level.

One would say why am i wasting my time.

Their are articles that you like and those you dislike but when it comes down to it you are to follow the party line.

Just like with the liberal party if they said no to workchoices and AWA legislation they would have been doing what is democratically right but not by their party.

YOU WILL TOE THE PARTY LINE OR BE EXPELLED.

This clearly is not democratic or a democracy.

THIS IS CLEARLY A DICTATORSHIP

You can either have dictatorship or you can have democracy.

The Australian Peoples Party is offering democracy but that is your choice not mine.

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I weary of debate with you Tapp, while your party appears to be nothing more than a mind game you play to amuse your self.
I think if it was a party that had real plans to one day have an impact you would understand you need to convince people from all party's to come to you.
Not blindly insult them, now again I doubt I could post the whole story here.
Or that I should Australia has few forums to express our free speech, some great ones no longer exist because rumor has it threats of legal action.
With every bone in my body I truly think if you knew what I know you would ,given your blind dislike of my party and all, think as I do on this issue.
However tell me this is untrue
the ex candidate ran against his lifelong party, he lost.
ALP voters said we want the party's choice in numbers that elected that person.
Why do you constantly say democracy at work is dictator ship?
What system of government is you play time party supporting?

Now Tapp I address your contempt for my views and the insult you throw that I follow the party line, surely if referring to one of your members that insult would be praise?
However it is untrue and fact is I firmly am a rebel in both party and union movement.
Union first,old time conservative unions fought communism as much as any enemy of the workers.
They won wages raises in talking issues out and strike action was the last tool used.
Being mates with members was the way of life and good bosses had nothing to fear from us, I am an old fashioned unionist.
My party, for years I have fought the extremes both right and left and look to todays federal leadership to take us away from a workers vs the rest culture.
One day if humans truly want a better world I would like to see a more caring hand up not a hand out world , nothing for nothing sit down money is wasted money.
I think a job is better than welfare , not pension , unemployment is what I am speaking about.
Party line? aim your insults above the belt, understand your views are no more likely to be right than mine.
Your thread mate, think about it, every state in Australia and soon the country in ALP hands .
And you call voters idiots by saying the voted for a dictator ship?
Are you and Tapp fairdinkum Stu?

What do you expect when the grassroots has no say at the National Conference. As for the Left they will do their little Song & Dance Act and than say 'OK thats find.' You know Labor is not control by Unions but by Jack Boot Johhny.

Labor and the unions are selling out the workers

Rudd said "politics is all about the power"

No Mr Rudd it is not

Gillard said "I am honourned to be able to represnt the labor party in government"

No Ms Gillard you are wrong

Labor says we will not force people onto collective agreements

Wrong again, due to the majority rule clause you will have a collective agreement

Labor says we can only strike for collective agreements

Sold out the rights of workers.
Labor and the unions are just as bad as liberals.
No respect for the workers or people.
Have no respect for why they stand for the workers.

AWA's to stay until they expire
people are still sold out
Labor and the unions have gone soft.
I will say Hi to Greg if he comes to my electorate.
He will just be another Garrett, sell out on values on workers rights.

For rights become a member or candidate of "The Auistralian Peoples Party"
The party that stands for the people,what is right with no cop out deals.

My info is correct if you cannot find it, look

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Tapp fair dinkum I am not trying to be nasty, do you drink before posting?
What is that all about?
I am a union official quite proudly an AWU one.
Yes yes know about that leftist jib Australia's Weakest Union, not in any way true but it is about the best those who use it can come up with.
I too have a dream, sorry to the owner of that statement long term hero of mine, right up there with Nelson Mandela.
But my dream starts with the removal of John Howard.
Workchoices and its pain gone too.
A new boat people policy that is in no way an open door policy.
And end to plausible deniability and a return to accountability for all politicians.
Even believe it or not a rebuilding of conservative party's, Australia needs good opposition to be governed well.
And end to John Howard's Americanization of politics, the importation of lies and dishonesty, instead of debate.
To achieve my dream Kevin Rudd must not just be elected.
He must have a land slide.
The trend for conservative voters to pledge a senate betrayal of teir party must be come a flood
A lost election may still see a conservative senate driven by spite not good governece
end part one

Kevin must not try to govern for the unions alone yes I know we gave birth to the party ext ext but who truly owns his child?
The dream continues I dream of an end to stupid political correct policy's that drive voters away and leave me feeling ill.
A basic of politics has to be those who complain about the likeness of both party's have no understanding of the subject.
The centralization of the party's is driven by the voters.
If most voters wanted free eggs for breakfast that is what both party's would pledge.
Union must have the right to strike returned, Kev's sure to do this at national conference but retain his secret ballot, o k with me if the issue has not got support it is no issue.
I will like all parents watch the growth in my lifelong child the ALP with pride in its achievements.
And while ever I am able will work to see my proud union looks to the future while remains proud of its past.
AWU proud strong and not going away.

The ACTU has got Garrett syndrome

This is called sell out of rights

ACTU has agreed rights sold,gone under labor

Labor has sold you out

Oh they will change their mind.
Rudd has stated and pronounced to Australia that workers can only strike for collective agreements.

You have been sold out and you still cannot see it.

Kevin Rudd, lier, only interested in power

Unions get back to what is important the workers.

Who would have thought of the day that the ACTU and Labor would sell out the workers.

The Recession we had to had was bad but what the ACTU and Labor has now done is a complete disgrace and I will be voicing this loud and proud for every Australian.

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much as i think democracy is the only hope of human survival, i must confess that watching tapp/belly conduct a discussion that would disgrace children scrabbling for a place in line at the tuckshop does confirm my suspicion that ozzies just ain't democracy material.

but this is the lucky country, and 3rd rate people ruled by 2nd rate pollies may well survive, well, the rich half may.

the others have no one to blame but themselves. it's ok to be ignorant, or stupid, or foolish, but combining all three gets you weeded out when mother nature can no longer support all her children.

Hey Demos

I will take that as a compliment

as our politicians are much much lower than that.
our politicians have no respect for themselves and respect only for their party.

Squabble at least we are fighting for something.

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It was no complement Tapp gee I hope you understand that.
However it did not have much Merritt, like it or not most who vote in this country continue to vote mainstream.
Tapp just what is it you want from IR?
Surely you understand ,or do you? Labor has not taken IR far from the people?
No lurch away from them such as workchoices, its a fundamental question question is this country concerned about the standard of living for all or just some.
I can not see your point except to say you appear more one sided in every post.
How tell me has Labor sold out the workers?
Are your policy's more radical?
John Howard and his team are saying Labor has gone too far, a clear lie.
Are you saying they went too far in the other direction?
demos self assurance is ok but often quite misplaced.
An understanding of an issue may come from the person who sweeps the floor as much as the one who owns the factory.
I except your insult but have not seen anything in your posts that confers saint hood on you.

Belly

You really do have a serious problem

You stated you are a union and labor man and proud of that, no problems with that.

I have said labor and the unions have sold the workers out.

Now Belly if you really are dedicated for the workers you would know why the workers have been sold out.

I see it, you dont

Is this due to obedience, or dont care.

As Kevin Rudd stated "Politics is about Power"

Is this your only interest.

open your eyes have a look.

Labor maybe be giving some back but not all.
What is the most important right for the workers Belly.

When you figure that out tell me, I already know.

Howards IR laws are bad but not for all, Labors new IR Laws are bad

Kevin Rudd has you on the end off the line dangleing.

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Given the massive miss use of a mandate that never included workchoices the duty of the ALP is clear.
It first is to be elected, not rush into giving seats away to Howard such as those lost in Tasmania in 2004.
And much like GST Labor would not find support if it wanted to take us back to pre workchoices IR law.
Those of us that have an understanding of the issue know change had to come not however workchoices.
A national system has to make a great contribution after all how many country's have so many different ones?
Tapp you draw your information from other than my members, they think this is at least a return to fairness.
It is not everything I would want it never could be, no one can govern for minority's.
Again my request for my party is to commit to winning, and governing well.
To remain in office long enough to undo the Howard mess.
Tapp you skip around questions without answering, mate if your party is the future of Australian politics why do you plead for members and candidates here?
What is the betrayal? just exactly what would you include in your play party's policy?
Dictatorship? in all states and Territory's? and soon the federal government.
Can you find a way out of being so out of touch with political reality?

Belly I will reply with a little story from another thread.

You say I am out of touch No I am not.

You just try to deny the dictatorship in one thread but will let this story put this in perspective.

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Barry is a good bloke, always was always will be.
And its nothing new the party and I think the conservatives act just this way.
As a rank and filer I must share a story, at a lunch for a NSW great Wran, Beazley and Carr came to our table and said Gday.
Yet those younger on the way up stood only with those who could help get feet on the ladder and did not say Gday or good by to us.
In the days I lived in Barry electorate and even then was a party activist these people had not been born yet they still find a place to use power wrongly in such as this thread brings to our notice.

I without shame did write that and stand by it.
However Tapp can you remember all those times you said I only take the party line?
I am a realist always and forever a realist.
It is true that unions of the 40,50s, and60 S fought to keep the older blokes like me in a job, last on first of.
It is no way to build a business!
In politics and unionism it is unfair to those who are the owners of the union/party the members.
The best should be promoted the past it or never will bes have no safe forever seat.
Only in your mind can my view be seen as betrayal.
As a share holder in the ALP and the union movement I demand only the best for the best the membership.
Tapp again find issues to build your sandcastle, it need not be just a dream if you act in good faith to build policy's not just insult other party's you could indeed be a force in the upper house.
At a time the ALP is about to become the federal government you manufacture betrayals and target them?
Start with bringing that northern water south, forget costs see the long term good.
Understand why politicians spend more time kissing baby's than kicking them, it works for them.

Belly I had to put your post here otherwise you wouldnt have.
deception.

Sandcastles no dont think so

policy

truth

the ACTU and Labor has sold out the workers

Ask Doug Cameron from amwsu

At least he will say it and stand for the workers.

Labor dictatorship and others follow.

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