@hasbeen
19 goat herders over powered 4 planes and navigated them into the WTC, outsmarting the most technologically advanced super power in the history of man. No aircraft could intercept them. Not the CIA nor any other intelligence could detect them. The US government had never anticipated such an act - even after Oklahoma, and previous attempts on the WTC.

What confidence could you have in such a bumbling super power?

Then, to capture another rich goat herder and his crafty shepherds 2 other countries must be invaded. Also, we think the goat herders have developed a new 3 letter acronym - WMD

Oops, but goat herders sadly do not have WMDS. Oh well, sorry about that invasion. Sorry about the 1 million dead. Can't help those refugees. Never mind we will find you a better leader.

Of course in revenge, there are now gangs of muslim immigrants rampaging throughout Western countries raping white women. These goat herders are an ingenious lot.

Belly,

I'm proud. in that case, to support YEBIGA.

Are you telling me that the principles that we have hitherto prided ourselves in aren't worth two bob? I grew up reading exhilarating stories of ingenuity and escape from prisoner of war camps. These escapades were possible because hostile countries adhered to certain principles in the confinement of prisoners.

Loudmouth, in particular, and backed by other posters, has spent weeks lecturing me on the Enlightenment values that have provided the apparatus around which western society has clung for its advancement.

Are you now telling me that facilities like Guantanamo and torture are to be the shining beacons our our future conduct?....that we regress to the use of mechanisms that we revile in others?

@ YEBIGA,

<<What confidence could you have in such a bumbling super power [who cannot stop “goat herders” running wild]>>

Believe it or not it aint about “super” power --it’s about “soft ” power.

We may have the biggest and bestest super power toys. But it’s the soft power of groups like the Human Rights Commission and its ten million sister commissions which frustrates our ability to deal with sneaky "goat herders".

For example, if for three weeks in succession “goat herders” had driven their flocks into town to munch on your petunia’s and crap all over your lawn. We would (still) not be permitted to put up a goat free fence. And any media reports about the “goat herders” behaving baldly would not be permitted to mention they were of "goat herder" appearance . And we couldn't even treat goats or their herders with any less kindness or any more suspicion than we treat non-goat herders. Since all of the above might be deemed “profiling” and in our wonderful multicultural-Human Rights Commission intimidated Western nation “profiling” is a big a NO NO and deemed far more heinous than any big POO POO on any front lawn.

And, after all, most “goat herders” are likely to be decent law abiding citizens. Who live quietly in the suburbs on their a ¼ acre block with their 300 goats.

And people like you YEBIGA --who have such an close affinity for “goat herders” that I have long suspected that there might be a goat or two in your recent lineage --make matter worse, since you are always pushing for more soft power to the Human Rights Commission and its ten million sister commissions.

<<Of course in revenge, there are now gangs of muslim immigrants rampaging throughout Western countries raping white women.>>
So prior to our involvement in the ME it was a region of tolerance and bliss –you’re showing your true colours now YEBIGA , and its goat skin yellow.

Never mind, SPQR, YEBIGA, he's the president of the George W. Bush fan club (Australian chapter : )

Going by his sensibilities, it should be acceptable to kill and maim with impunity (because after all, these folks were bickering forever anyway), destroy infrastructure, and guarantee yourself open-fettered access to whatever resources dictated your actions in the first place. In your wake, the only thing you leave is chronic instability and suffering - and all in the name of altruism.

Poirot I leave you in bad company.
Feel free to highlight the free wests sins.
And to ignore the other side, no back down, that is what you are doing.
Mothering foul murderers.
I would have thought that 14 year old young girl, a HERO was more worthy of support .
Tried Loudmouth, but fingers covered in blood.
In the end your approach looks best.
MOST OFFENSIVE? the implication, ANY POSTER here is not ashamed of those American acts as we stated, over and again!

Don't pull that one ,Belly.

You know me well enough to realise that my concerns regarding human conduct don't stop at boundaries between "us and them".

I'm sick of people taking advantage of that poor girl's fate to have a dig.

Do you believe it's admirable for the West to employ torture as a technique...even though we would deplore it used against us.

If we're attempting to hold up our values as something we're proud of, the worst thing we can do is let ourselves slide backwards to behaviour that marked a less enlightened time.