Lift my game!
You are an extraordinary person.
Pakistan, for a start,
Leave you too it bloke you have a closed mind.

@belly
And what pray tell are these tortured western souls doing in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq? Are they missionaries? Aid Workers?

Lets assume you are right.

But to be fair, are there any Muslim nations sending troops into western countries, abducting locals and taking them back to their countries to be detained indefinitely? Any spring to mind?

Closed mind, indeed!

YEBIGA,

Well said on this thread.

It's a slippery slope when we begin to jettison civilised principles. I've been lectured lately just how important it is that we value a certain standard of conduct - even during animosities.

It only took two US administrations under the same president to begin to reverse procedures and contort definitions with a purpose to rescind long held principles.

Thank you poirot.
I agree, a very slippery slope. I am more than a little surprised by the number of posters so forgiving of torture on an Australian forum. Very surprised! Major US and UK mainstream media forums would not be so ambivalent.

Australian's seem to increasingly reserve their outrage for undisciplined footballers and other celebrities. Or, more seriously we prefer to run campaigns against symptoms of boorishness like bullying, sexism, racial slurs, virtually anything of a PC bent. We are very big at declaring role models.

We have given up parenting, we want the community and media to teach our kids to not be boorish.

When it comes to more serious matters like poverty, distribution of wealth, hospital queues, foreign policy, education standards, etc,etc well we don't have the stomach for that.

Yebiga in the same vane, have any westerners blown up trains full of passengers, or crashed plane loads of passengers into office buildings in Muslim countries recently?

Have you heard of any gangs of westerner immigrants in Muslim countries, raping lone women in their new country.

No, I thought not. Don't be a fool by trying to defend the indefensible.

Come on this bloke/woman is living in another reality.
Poirot I never bought in to the word war against you as we get near this subject.
I know your heart.
I do not, sorry to offend, think this poster or csteele are in the same mold.
The hardest headed anti Muslim among us, surely shares a wish, for a far better life and freedom for every woman, Child,and man not welded on to the control and slavery they must live with.
America, the world is in these country,s too, to feed and help, I do not support Christians there to interfere.
Now ignore this if truth frightens you, that America of Jewish ancestry, screaming from his cut throat,
This poster, so very full of a self assurance that is miss placed, has so easily forgotten him.
In the dream of a better world, or in efforts to grant sainthood to MURDERERS, we forget truth at our peril.
I WARN lies are the weapon most used to defend the indefensible.
And that for what ever reason I find no balance or wish for a better world in our author.
He/She seems to have other agendas, the death of Americas Ambassador, would we do that?
A better world comes after the clean up.