Elders are Live Animal Exporters.

Elders first commenced business in 1837 buying and selling sheep and cattle.

In 1937 they brought a ship load of cattle over from Bombay to Rush cutters Bay Sydney.

They had to swim the cattle across in those days.

They stampered and ended up in an area still known to this day as the Cow paddocks.

They also imported sheep from Africa around the same time and to this day nobody ever knew for sure which load carried the foot and mouth disease.

There were very strick rules brought to order as soon as this was discovered.
So strick in fact if a man was caught killing a beast to eat the penalty was death by hanging.
The old abattoir workers as the years went by started to become very concerned about ships going out of Australia with live Animals onboard.
In those days to be honest they were not so much concerned about animal welfare but their lively- hoods.

Mr Jim Dyer who now resides on the Gold coast and some of his fellow abattoir owners made an appointment to see the Prime Minister back then but not in Australia- New Zealand.

He told the Prime Minister of New Zealand that any country that allowed live exports to get out of control would do so at the destruction of the small farmers.

Mr Dyer ended up travelling to the ME and came back determined to export meat not live animals.

He purchased a ship and they used to pump the Bryan around the deck.

From their he started to export the skins and although an elderly gentleman still to this day exports skins to China.

He has returned home from seeing a shipment of animals[ cattle I think] that was an Elders operation.

That was the first time in his life he had ever thought about protesting about Animal cruelty.

He helped write this message to Elders and asks everybody to read it.

http://www.halakindmeats.com/elders.html

There are proud adds of insurance , Real Estate and even banks - but none of Live Exports.

This is a difficult task for groups such as yourselves - people are so desensitised to issues like this. Adults, let alone kids, think milk comes from plastic cartons and cuts of meat in plastic packets.

Do you really think they are going to do anything about the plight of real live animals on a ship?

I must say your post was a bit hard to understand - seemed somewhat fragmented - but I guess it is because of the pent-up passion and frustration for your cause.

I can only hope you are able to spread the word, but methinks you will be better off trying to change the attitudes of Elders themselves with the backing of the relevant government department - both here and overseas. A task more difficult I suspect given our government's attitude to jobs and the economy - Mr Howard certainly seems to have difficulty in seeing the big picture, or having a vision of what's right.

Davsav

Point Taken.

I apoligise. I guess its frustration.

Not so much with even Elders but these so called Animal Welfare Groups that have raised millions of dollars from the public over many years.

Its just unthinkable that people dont know Elders not only for their banks and real Estate Agents, Insurance but Live Animal Exports.

Sure I know its often hard to get things out through the media given the conflict of interest that involved but still.

The public have a right to know who`s involved in what.

Your also correct about trying to work in with Elders.

I have written to them over a period of the last four years but so far no luck. Although the chairman of elders has contacted me by phone over the last few weeks.

I have also written to the AWB with the same proposal and the interesting part is that they sent it to Elders to reply.

Yes it certainly would be easier however we now simply have to compete on the market.

All every farmer needs to start doing is speaking direct to the buyers overseas.

Of course the buyers overseas will be interested to gain more control and give the middle men the flick once they are comfortable that they have their own accredited Halal Men placed in Australia.

So as it was put to Elders in the first letter please get onboard or miss the ship.


Eventually the Government will be forced to deal with one Muslim group who are known trusted and very open to the public.

As for John Howard I guess hes had the Nationals to deal with as well. Not that I am making excuses for him.

I think hes smart enough to make these changes to faze out this cruelty but lacks the support and votes.

By the way you can call us a group but we really are just people against live animal exports and intensive farming.
We support good Farmers NOT oppose people eating selling or growing meat.
We ride horses own farms drink Bundy and care little for political grandstanding.

Their is only one party that has what it takes to stand up to these people, and that is

THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLES PARTY.

check out the animal welfare policy at

www.tapp.org.au

Tapp
Its good to know another Party is taking the lack of action to protect our most innocent.

Tell me would your members be prepaired to put on BBQs in regional areas to intoruce co joint ventures direct to farmers?

We would of course arrange assistance with some funding and arrange overseas guest speakers.

There is no requirement to totally understand the meat industry or farming for that matter.

Just a will to really help Aussie farmers and improve Animal Welfare at the same time.

We will organise Reps to attend along with the Members.

We prefer doing a round trip of country and regional areas and hold all the meetings at hotels with some country and Western.

While our guests mostly do not drink they have no problem sipping on a juice and really enjoy meeting farmers and familys enjoying their normal activitys.

Of course we would all be most interested in invitations to see their farms, stations or meat plants.

Domestic plants are of particular interest with a view to add infustructure at no costs to the owners.

There is much interest also in vegatable farms and cosmetics[ non Animal Tested as well.

Its always good to have more people interested to turn Australia round to Exporting are products in their most vaulable form by vaule adding.

We would arrange all Halal meals forour guests. Your members should gain a great deal of knowledge by acting as Tour guides.

I think you will find it most rewarding and enjoyable.
please See>

http://www.halakindmeats.com

At the bar b q tapps going to run for you will it be little yabbie from your other thread we roast?
Rather like a lamb chop, elders are a sponsor of this site ,thanks blokes well done and best regards.
Tapp can you justify your ads on this site?
True mate is it a fair thing?
Bit bored with the whole idea a forum can be used this way.
Australian farmers are not running animal concentration camps.
In relation to exports of live animals ,yes make it better but stay realistic it will continue or you condemn farmers to go hungry.