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Thanks for adding the PALE RSPCA QLD Link.

Greens, Democrats, One nation, Tap, several independents, all saying the same thing.
Stop Exporting Animals Alive from Australia, - Pluss millions of public.
Aren’t they arrogant to ignore the public and recommendations from Several Senate enquires. All the findings were to 'Ban Live animal Exports" without delay

Possibly along with most other Australians didn’t know Elders are considered the biggest live Animal exporters.

As Belly pointed out they do a lot of advertsing. Mind You they haven’t advertised that as much as their others interests.
Thanks Belly but Elders are big boys. I am sure they would expect any “ Special Treatment “To suggest so might be offensive to them.
Don’t you think? Elders Advertsie. Iadvertise- Like When We sent the Strippers to the AWB Enquiry. thatswhy its called a democracy belly.

I would encourage Elders to read the Yabby Forum it may later disclose some matters of interest to them.

Elders are rather unique in regards to their Insurance Agents as well.

I find the recruitments for commercial Insurance client’s `particularly interesting`.

We probably have more in common than they know because I don’t mind a bit of the old school myself.

Belly we are not Animal Libbers or Against Farmers. We are looking to open more Abattoirs in Australia to give more competition for better prices to farmers.

Happy to work with or with out Elders. They think the old Boys Club will never change but lets all be realistic, everything changes in time.
As for how Yabby Chooses to go that may Or maybe not be up To Him.
After All its only a story. You know pretend. Sort of Like all you people who use pretend names all over the forums.
At least Elders and ourselves let the people know Who, Or should I say Whom We are.
So There you go we have more than one thing in Common already.
Could be the start of a whole new realshonship.
Always nice To base things on Honesty.
Dont you Think?

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To Pale thanks for that will do when we get fully going

To Belly if you had noticed Pale is about Animal Welfare and i rightly pointed out that THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLES PARTY does have an Animal welfare policy and people can find that policy at
www.tapp.org.au

To say something does not always take a page but to say this party has policy and not just talk and spin.

Also about candidates and members wanted well it is up to the people and they at least know we are here and not going away, and it is ordinary people that make this country grow so why have those who have be told what to do
what to say
how to do it
but real people

so belly if you have a say about any subject that this party has a policy for i will inform the people that we have the policy and where to find it.

And people dont need to be worried about expulsion for saying the truth, or what they really do think

Belly

Thats a bit beneath the belly even for you.
The blokes harmless. He made it clear hes not registered.
Elders wouldnt stoop that low.
Now glad you mentioned those Lamb Adds.
Who do you think pays for them? How much of the public funding goes in them?
Bet you two Bob and a shilling on the side you dont know.
There has always been 50 50 funding together with the industry. Call it grants. Call it Uni progects. Call it research but if you look you will find it.
I say its a bit much using lamb considering the price has gone through the roof. Thats due to a lack of supply after filling live exports.
Dont say its due to the drought. Drought causes a glut- which should ensure plenty of domestic supply at very competative prices.

If Rodger Fletcher can make a killing out of lamb so can others.

Tapp Just to mention that wasn’t your party I was referring to " taking the Lack of Action'

I was refering to the fact I put the co joint proposal re a policy to phase out live exports to the opposition ages ago but as usual no action.
Bernie Cavern OConners adviser said he thought it was a ‘great idea” for a policy.
They kept us waiting almost two years for the meeting.

Mind You he was probably waiting for Jake Lake Kym`s advisor, but there ‘was nobody home ‘

I can recall some of the Libbers saying how helpful Jack was. Umm yes but helpful to whom? Certainly not the animals or for jobs for Australian Regional Areas.
I was told by somebody in the know the meat Unions were told to back off Live Exports.
I don’t know why the opposition never called themselves The No action party".
Or The All Talk Party,.
The Party of missed oportunity’s
The Behind You’re Back Party.
It would made more Sense To me.

I mean they cant even come up with a policy when its handed to them from paddock to plate.



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People against every thing until I came along your thread was nearly an empty room talking to yourself mostly it still is.
Have you any ideas how we can sell more meat to people who must not buy it under religious belief?
Are you aware costs is the factor that sells our sheep in the middle east?
Or of the impact of no refrigeration in such places?
No live exports just means another country will take our market.
You are at least aware of that?
Australians just maybe are growing further away from just cases because of people like you.
To claim the high moral ground on issues without basic understanding is counter productive.
So very much that needs true protection is without support because the wrong slant is put on issues by the wrong people.
Better more caring transport is the issue nothing else.

Belly

I thank you.
You say>
"Have you any ideas how we can sell more meat to people who must not buy it under religious belief?"

[Answer].
I beleive we can get you a better price for your meat.
, You Ask>
"Are you aware costs is the factor that sells our sheep in the middle east?"
Amswer> Yes!
Through Tarrifs that were set up years ago. Also the trade dollar kickbacks which have all been played well over the heads of the trusting ordinary honest farmer.
Your Question.
"Or of the impact of no refrigeration in such places?"> Answer Rubbish. Thats A myth.
Your Question
"No live exports just means another country will take our market?".


Answer Read this>

24 February 2006
Australian Muslims Are Against Animal Cruelty

The President of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, Dr. Ameer Ali
today called on the Australian media not to act irresponsible in misinforming the
Australian public about the real reasons for live exports.

Dr. Ameer Ali said that Muslims are primarily concerned to ensure that the animal is slaughtered in accordance with the Islamic Shariah, and that can be done in Australia under the Australian Government supervised Muslim Slaughter Program (AGSMS) and we want the Australian public to know that we do not agree to animal cruelty.

He further said that Muslims in the Middle Eastern countries readily accept
Frozen and chilled lamb and mutton from Australia, once it is Halal certified
under the program. Last year Australian lamb meat exports to the Middle East was up 36% to a record of 14,052 tonnes, and Australian mutton meat export to the Middle East was up 24% in the same period to 36,051 Tonnes (ref. Farmonline News 1 Feb 2006). This represents the equivalent of more than 2 million sheep which were slaughtered in Australia for Middle Eastern Muslim customers.

Dr. Ali said that the Australian Muslims does not support the cruel treatment of animals prior to slaughter, that has been documented in Egypt as the Qur`an dictates that animals should be treated with kindness.

Continued Bellys Answers
. You Say>
"Australians just maybe are growing further away from just cases because of people like you."
Answer>
I am very concerned about Australians turning away from the live Export or Animal Welfare.
Thats is Why after many years we have decided to go public. To point out we are Not Animal Libbers and we DO eat Meat.

I was horrified seeing the Libbers protesting about people eating meat.
Rolling around half naked with pretend blood on them.

That type of thing turns the public off.
It gives industry Like Elders and Government amo to feed the media that ALL groups are extreme.

It plays into the hands of the industry. I cant believe others dont know that.
I suspect many animal groups are being used politically but have not worked that out.
We are not libbers and we will not be told we cant have a say when we represent the 96 percent of Australians that eat meat but want to know its humane from paddock to plate. We are the black,Sheep Of Animal Welfare groups andYes we are hated by the others. We wont be bullied.

You Say
'To claim the high moral ground on issues without basic understanding is counter productive."
Answer>
No the Libbers walk the higher Moral Ground- We are just saying eat meat but be humane. We are the only non veg vegan group in Australia other than RSPCA. The others are all veggies mostly.
We are saying to Animals Australia and all the other groups who are controlled under their umbrella - Help Us to reopen plants if you SERIOUS about Stopping live Exports. We are saying Ok you say replace it with Carcuss, however you refuse to work with the only alternative to do just that??
You Say>
Better more caring transport is the issue nothing else.
Answer > WE support the RSPCA Policy On Animal Transport.
Animals should be transported as close as possibly from its origan to abattoirs.
We hope to assist RSPCA to making that possibly by opening many more plants or abattoirs within Australia