i dont need to ask you belly..how you feel about them 90 dead pakies..died recently//LOCKED INTO THEIR WORKPLACES

but how you or i feel dont matter
note how silent the unions,,the 'labour govts

speaks volumes ol mate

now back to super..EVERYWEEK..a majory ;percentage of our wages..goes to gamblers..to leverage..into wether oil or coal or gas or food or whatever..will go up or down today..

its a set up game..[i once tried to buy shares..but apparently the lot had been put on hold..for them//from the queen down

at best their bying a dividend..at worst gambling on promises
they bet it will go up or down..50/50..so many with lots of cash..LEVERAGE their own investments..under advisement

so MY super bought facebook shares
putr more on as it fell..leveraged it
who got the full price comm isions?..how by lying

BY PRETENDING to be your friend.yoyr party..your pal
then doing a bernie madoff with all that great cash

mate how often you read of the next allen bond..hiding his wealth in family trusts ..going bankrupt..but living the same high life regardless..cause he/they.. didnt go bankrupt..in reality*

hid the wealth they stole..do some time
then be comfortably middle class for 7 generations
unless the first spend it all..or gambled it away..or lost it in a scam

or had it hyper inflated away..
when the time limit expires on the bailout..yes freeze low rates..in us..not here...here banks are expert at 'the cost of borrowing'..

not that they..lol steal your cash intrest free..
and plus pay their penalties/fees..pecunilarilly intrests

continues

se its needs that NEW money
like your gen got..that had to come from those paying it today

but this is so much like german hyper inflation
every month a few extra %..no wage negotiations for two years..by which time the world is like zimbabwe/germany/and many capitalist looted localities globally..

with howard..he took the load off the elites
got rid of death\DUTIES..import duties etc ..gave the rest of us gst

its endless..but 80,000 mate....think back..this might help you see

that was what..2002?..or 2006..or 1980?

trace back the pay you got..year by year
or deecade by decade..i assjure you one decade prior to $80,000
you were closer to 40.000..if not then maybe 40

but the next deecade will be below 40
so lets say..2006..you earned 80 thou
1996..i rekon 60 thou
1886..i rekon UNDER 40,000
1976..luckey to get 20,000
1966 luckey to pulling in under 4000 quid

anyhow..thats my spurilous claim to you..cheers blue/bell

stay well pal

OUG you look at the worst examples and I think some that do not exist, then mix them together like scambeled eggs.
My fear is for the whole world, some of my fears are ones you shared here.
But lets not forget, I started with less than nothing.
Worked my guts out from 13 years old till over 65.
BUT banked 20% of my last two years income, on top of my company super 15%
So no one gave me anything, invested super earned very good interest.
Now that is my concern, Socialism and Communism took the need to look after your self away.
It in fact took the need to succeed away, it failed.
While we continue population growth we FORCE every thing else to grow, including debt.
Taking the [as all faiths once said] ability to lend cash and nothing else, leaching on every one, away, can help.
But those wanting to invest in business or goods and services have every right to profit.
Without that? Socialism strangles effort.
Pakistan? are you sure Australian unions can influence any one in that renegade country?

again we are not grasping each other..so i try a new way
your a union rep..your used to thinking ..FOR YOUR MATES*..they look to your knowing..at least while you both worked..

now mate you KNOW how hopless many were
BUT ALL OF YOU TOK THE LUMP SUM*..[but lets face it mate...most got no idea how to manage their booty..or even retain it in many cases

so they trust some muggins..promising nice high retrurn.,..low or no risk..and the mnuggs feed criminbals..CAUSE THEWY..not you..dont know how to handle THAT MUCH CASH

mate that cash came direct from the kids super
now much of it held by the crims

YIOU RECALL ussr fell..the people got shares WORTH BILLIONS
but swapped the shares for tv..thus now huge rich russion czars/oligarks..looted the ignorants wealth

yet again

some people shouldnt be FORCED to save..
then spend it,..at the racetrack..to them..THEM*..its like 'found' money..they dont feel its really theirs..so spend it..not use it as wisely..like you..

but for all them old senile dupes..got a nice nest eggs there for the looting..govt suppoorts the WRONG END..invest in youth..not the dying

that dont mean old people should die,,or i wish anyone dead
its just not every 65 year old suddenly gets finantial wisdom
thus giving them theiur instant pension is insane..BUT ITS COMPULSORY!

thats the problem aint it..the topic stop.s there in mute silence

i am the cause of this...
when i first came here..i replied a old topic...

from that day to this..
one month..the thread dies..regarding adding..to that story line/topic

and my favourites box is full of dead topics
so i have to keep windows open..to save double handeling..to read any update..but its all off topic..but the topics over..yep its over

lol
not by a long shot
in the end..this became the biggest issue..in the histry of men
how an elete graduall perveted govt money/insurance iunderwriting law

yes and fruiendly societies unions..and many community groups
govt isolated and exploited..and media unions said nix

spoke not for those oppressed south afrikans..exploited by white master..in black face..shot by police raided by [police..then the police union...lol

a world gone insane/as was best typified by the alp opposition leader kim beastly..who talked as if he was allready running things..thus never actually did..

just cause it says work choice
dont mean its your choice

but heck ol mate you done well
its just those taking over from you..collude to get it all for their master/better/client/trust/bank or corperation..buisiness is capital..

capital is being waterd down
like its cheap scotch..but its the same value..selling for double its worth..and lots of unionists/unions/friendly societies and investers..capital will be devalued..

and re valued
re sold..on sold barterd and onsold
and yet rubbish in rubbish out

a capitalist wins
capitalism looses

Yes the thread died, it seems we are doomed to not talk about such issues.
Until they crash down on us or the next one or two generations.
But we are stumbling from financial crisis to the next one.
And if the roof caves in we all find others in control.
I think it is something we can not avoid.
We talk of how much better things could be but are powerless to do anything.
Just look at a small slice of the world cake Australia, we are doing well, but can not fix the boat problem.
We know, for sure a day will come that we will not be able to sell our mining output, a stagnant world needs no inputs.
We are going to get a MASSIVE lift this and the next year from our agricultural sales, then enter a drought.
RIP the thread but on the next failure of world financial markets we can come back and dither about without doing anything.