rehctub,
yes it's like a step forward & a step back. If there were just slightly fewer ALP supporters we could actually achieve 2 steps forward & only 1 back.
I wonder if there was a way of getting them to see that through their $$$$curtains.

Indi....Job cutting is wrong. If a job is not needed than transfer the job holder to another position

And there in lies the problem.

You see under these rediculus IR agreements, if ones job is effectively 'chopped' some unions won't allow for that worker to be reassigned to an alternative position, this is why some PS sit in an office and do nothing. At least that was the case, perhaps this has changed, I hope so.

What CN is doing is throwing out the dead wood, and, unfortunately some good people get caught up in the mix.

Are people aware that many of the funny emails that get passed around come from public servants.

We need flexibility in IR before we can move forward.

If a better worker comes along, employers must be able to give them a job, in favor of a worse one, much the same way as workers are free to choose jobs, employers must have the same flexibility, otherwise we will simply see more casuals, more contracts and more uncertainty.

Let's face it, if you don't have the smarts, or the work ethics, that's your problem, not the employers.

Just of late I am concerned for OLO.
Now I am aware the same charges can be laid against me.
And that while I like the bloke, GY must get sick of my oposeing views.
But of late we are not seeing the middle folk we once did, many would take to me,and it was ok.
But very many recent arrivals contribute an extreme position.
Frankly, kick me if you wish, seemingly not linked to great ability to think clearly.
Lets be honest,last government in QLD can share the blame.
Some weird anti worker stuff came out of them too.
But this bloke?
He aims at struggle street,even his side are repelled.
Tough but foolish he loads Labors guns.
Without evolving, learning from its mistakes, QLD Labor is back in the race, more power to them.
Ordinary Australians, unionists, public servants are not all bludgers.
For folk to say they are is nothing less than insulting rubbish.
A day must come, that Gillard is gone.
And Labor can unite against a frightening developing future

Belly,
Ok, so you had your standard input however, how about giving us your view how CN should deal with the deadwood in the Public Service. Please no attack, just your idea of how the problem can be or should be solved. Where/how would you employ the useless & how much do you believe they should get paid. How would you change the culture of the public service ?

<<Just history repeating itself I am afraid.

We just keep goimg from money in the bank, to broke, borrowing well beyond our means, back to cost cutting just so labor can get back in one day and start the process again.>>

I agree wholeheartedly with rechtub's observation, and would add this.
It's extremists at both ends of the spectrum who drive these cycles, the idiotic far left , (true believer socialists), on the one hand and the equally idiotic far right Tea Party wannabes on the other hand.
History teaches us that free markets cause huge damages, while the more moderate approach of free enterprise is what has created most of the world's wealth.
Equally, socialism has caused untold destruction but social safety nets have savedcounless lives and given people a chance to rebuild.
The best answer is somewhere in the middle, i.e. the best of both sets of beliefs brought into balance.
And, I believe, that seeking a balance somewhere around the middle of the spectrum would dampen the the wild cycles that rechtub rightly highlights.
Anthony
http://www.observationpoint.com.a

The whole problem of cutting back on the number of public servants
could be solved easily.

Just print the money to pay them !
Hmm, well as I just wrote to Belly on the other thread that is how
the financial system likes to solve their debt problem.

The cause of the problem is because you do not have the money to pay
all those public servants.
There are only two possible solutions, print money or sack them and
get them earning their keep elsewhere.

We are in an era of very low growth and some countries are already in
contraction. Growth depends on increasing energy but our government
is determined to reduce the amount of energy we are using so
contraction is inevitable.

So stop whinging and live with it !