On Wednesday the 22nd Aug I made another trip to Canberra losing a days pay for another CO2 tax protest.There were about 900 people there and Barnaby Joyce, Bob Katter,Bronwyn Bishop, Michael Smith and Malcolm Roberts from the Galileo Movement were amongst the many who addressed the crowd.

A few of us went into Parliament to again disrupt Julia from the gallery.We were kicked out again but this time they tried some AFP intimidation before we were ejected.This is supposed to be the people's house but is it fear of terrorism or is it fear of us,that makes them so paranoid?

This is part of what the pop media refused to show.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaWTHdy99FY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

There were some radio stations who played some of the interviews with Anita Donlon and Wendy Blake but Channel 9 and 7 who did most of the the interviews mentioned nothing.

The pop media is all about creating confontation or denegrating some group,rather than seeking the truth.

yes arjay..the media has a bias..bi-assed adjenda
wether it be for the left or right..their bias is allways right.

but what ya going to do..i stopped protest as we were just the colour/background to the story..that MADE IT LOOK..like the 'other' side is heard..but its all just 'appearances'

in reality much of the adgenda is driven
by someone..who when they win..get a nice bored seat on the antismoking/anti-drinking lobby..that only fo-cuss*..on smokers..cause the drunks lobby owns the media...bought it out with full page adverts....long ago.

media has a commercial bias
it has an adgenda[thats why the bible says..the stars or sharon[in coma..and the media...must fall..[its in the holy bible!

media must have its feet of clay revealed and reviled
a harlot..that sells the souls ogf their owners..too cheap

so much they alone..COULD HAVE DONE
media is great at telling the full story...when it choses to
but clearly the past is so full of media driven spin..they dont dare even go there

thus they die
for lack of believability..and permanance of recording

Well, you proved one thing, Arjay.
You proved that there are at least 900 people in Australia who are still disconnected from reality.
Fortunately the rest of us will press on and save the planet for you.
I'm sorry about your day's pay though.
Best consider it as just punishment for being a bit silly.
Anthony
http://www.observationpoint.com.au

@Anthonyv

<<Fortunately the rest of us will press on and save the planet for you>>

OMG!

I do hope that our salvation does not hinge on you riding to our rescue

http://tinyurl.com/8bbt2sg

*This is supposed to be the people's house*

Well yes Arjay, but its a house for debate, not for a bunch
of zealots with some chip on their shoulder, to hold up debate.

If they did not clamp down on you, there would be a long list
of rabble rousers, each with their axe to grind, queing up to
vent their emotions and get their particular point off their
chests.

So count yourself lucky that they did not lock you up in the
clink for the night, or shock, horror, you might have lost
2 days pay!

In Iran, which you claim to love so much, they might have
just shot you.

Ahh SPQR,
I play my small part, as do most people who have brain and use it.
Accordingly, I would of course would understand, if you declined to participate.
Anthony
http://www.observationpoint.com.au

Bet it's a nice clean brain you have too, Anthonyve. After all you've submitted it for brain washing so often, all these years.

The left are really going to suffer a huge loss of approval when you & all your mates wake up to the fact you've been conned.

It won't do to much for that high level of self esteem of yours, or your faith in the left.

"..that high level of self esteem of yours..."

Pot - kettle - black!

The media show things that are newsworthy, unless it is the Australian news paper of course.

Actually Arjay, it's the House of the people's representatives...

To get to speak there you need first to be elected.

Although in doing so you would more than make up for a lost day's pay.

The gallery, as the word implies is for a public audience not public participants.

Hasbeen,
Let me explain.
It's not a faith in the Left. After all, when it's all boiled down, Global Warming isn't a Left/Right issue - we all live on the same planet.
No, it's a faith in science, underpinned by an understanding of how science works.
The scientific case for AGW has never been stronger, the data never more clear.
Even those setting out to disprove AGW end up in confirming that it's worse than we thought.
And, yes, I have a high self esteem and a high confidence in my abilities. And why not? They've made me both rich and successful.
That doesn't make me infallible, far, far from it, but it justifies a degree of self confidence.
Anthony
http://www.observationpoint.com.au

@ Anthonyv,

<< I play my small part… I would of course would understand, if you declined to participate>>

But you’re on the wrong side, Anthony.

Frodo & Sam were most disappointed that you’d decided to line up with the Orcs [http://tinyurl.com/9c2a59q]
Under the great dark lord Sauron [http://tinyurl.com/btmobw8] …or, was it this one [http://tinyurl.com/blumzy2]
(and the betrayal was particularly heartfelt since I am told, you are Sam's twin and dead ringer!)

Pssst! Look come across to our side and I will put in good word with Gandalf http://tinyurl.com/9fmd356
Maybe he'll let you join the Army Of The West, ay?

Yes very much what Anthonyve said, in both posts,s
As the truth emerges we can only hope those falling victim to the power and moneys lies can remember we remember their words.

Anthonyve

have you visited planet Earth lately? Or are you in the same dimension as that idiot, Tim Flannery?

The carbon tax will and is destroying our economy.The mining boom is coming to an end.If you think that a great new big tax is going to solve anything,then there is no future for any of us.

In a really big 1930's style depression,not even having a job in the Public Service will help you.It will suffer drastic cuts also and you won't have the skills or the work ethic to survive in the real world of private enterprise.

Well, Arjay,
Did you listen to the governor of the Reserve Bank this morning?
Probably not or a few facts might have ruined your perfectly preposterous theory.
Point to one, just one indicator that our economy isn't doing well.
Can't? Didn't think so.
As for the mining boom, you are obviously confused about terminology.
Yes, this period of absurdly high and unmanageable investment is coming to an end.
However, the many, many mines currently operating successfully - and highly profitably - will continue to do so, in many cases for decades.
Yes, commodity prices will be a bit lower than in the past, but that's because in the recent past, iron ore prices have been unusually high.
The Australian economy is doing well and will continue to do so for some time yet.
Ideally the economy will come off a little bit with the fall in commodity prices, however that will help exports as the dollar eases.
Also, a small slow down in INVESTMENT, (Note: not ongoing production, but investment), will mean that Australians, via the eminently sensible MRRT will be able to enjoy the benefits of the 'Mining Boom' for at least another two decades.
Arjay, your comments are always so incredibly negative.
I don't know if maybe you are depressed, but here's a worthwhile axiom: Nothing is ever as good as we think it will be and nothing is ever as bad as we think it will be.
Stick with that and you will a) be a bit less fearful and b) enjoy better mental and physical health.
There is a great deal of good in the world, my friend. You just have to open your mind to the possibilities.
There has never been a better time for ordinary Australians to make money; never a better time to be alive.
The Aussie stock market has risen by 7.5% in the last two months.
Blue chip stocks are still paying excellent dividends.
It's a wonderful time to be alive and playing in the big game.
So, for goodness sake, Cheer up.
Anthony
http://www.observationpoint.com.au

Anthonyve,did you know that our banking system is loaded with $15 trillion of derivatives,which is 13 times our GDP? They too have been sucked in by the casino economy which the really powerful forces like George Soros and the private US Federal Reserve can implode at will.

They can drive us all into abject poverty with the click of a computer mouse.This is why China and Russia formed the BRICS tading block and are developing a new currency to save their economies.

Notice how China and Russia have been demonised recently?

Arjay, I have this bridge you might be interested in buying...
It's big and curvy and connects north and south Syney.
I can do you a great deal for cash...
Anthony
http://www.observationpoint.com.au

Anthonyve,you are incapable of entering real debate.Juliar Gillard has a similar response.

Anthonyve,
re your link about economists. I frequently draw attention to the pointlessness of Academics & I cop plenty flak for it. The economists you refer to are simply just that, pointless Academics. I wonder if there will ever be a point in time when the majority of voters have sufficient nuance not to let themselves be so hoodwinked by these so-called intelligent intellectuals who can't actually do anything apart from disrupting competent people in the course of everyday life. Quite a lot of their antics hardly differ from witchcraft in the dark ages.

In the case of economists, Individual, I agree wholheartedly.
They've caused incredible harm, especially the Freedmanites from the Chicago School of Economics.
Thousands, maybe tens of thousands of people died in South American countries due to their insane theories.
Anthony
http://www.observationpoint.com.au

Arjay, I do wish you would stop pretending you know what a derivative is.

>>Anthonyve,did you know that our banking system is loaded with $15 trillion of derivatives,which is 13 times our GDP?<<

The problem is that it is clear from the way that you use the numbers - as if the $15 trillion actually exists somewhere, like some enormous great IOU that someone is going to cash one day - that you don't have the slightest clue what they are, or what effect they have on the economy.

It really is getting tiresome. Moreover, you just look like an idiot, as you trot out the same garbage, time after time.

Anton, You just don't get it do you.

You say, we all live on the same planet, which, by your very definition, imdentifies climate change as a global issue, not an Australian issue, and it is for this reason why so many of us are opposed to this huge tax, in it's current form, that will have very little, if any, impact on global climate change.

I again remind you and others, that comsumers are the main reason why CO2 emissions are generated, through our demands for energy.

Quite simply, they (our government) are taxing the wrong people.

If the government really wants a reduction in emissions, then reward sensible users, and penalize abusers.

The end result will be far less risk, no tax and a guaranteed reduction in CO2 emissions, as there are few things consumers like better, than a chance to save money.

It is for this reason that I suspect the government has a hidden agenda on this one.

LOL Arjay

Next time you plan to participate in a stunt like that let me know. I'd love to see the fun.

Rechtub,
Look,
If what you are saying, i.e.that the only way to tax consumers is to tax consumers directly, then how do you explain the GST?
Here is a case where the tax is applied at the supplier level but ultimately impacts on the consumer.
Therefore,based on this, I reject your proposition.
Furthermore, I would argue that if the tax was applied directly on the consumer, and I can't imagine how you would do that, then it create no incentive for suppliers to reduce emmissions.
By applying the carbon tax - correctly- at the supplier level, then an incentive exists at both levels. As suppliers pass it on according to how it impacts on their business.
If the supplier reduces emmissions, he can reduce prices thus gaining a competitive advantage.
Id the consumer reduces emmission waste, then he can reduce his costs.
So both the supplier and the consumer can cut their costs and emmissions if they take action.
Ergo, your essential premise is demonstrably incorrect.
Anthony
http://www.observationpoint.com.au

Anton, you forget one VERY IMPORTANT fact, that being, all additional costs incurred by suppliers, is passed on, but with an additional margin, as business does not run on a cost recovery basis.

So, applying a margin of say 20% , which will barely cover costs, for ever million dollars in tax, the consumer will actually pay 1.2 million.

How do you charge consumers directly you say.

Simple, take electricity.

Say the going rate is 20c per KW, and your average usage over the past 12 months was 1500 KW per bill cycle.

You would then be charged say 15c per KW for the first 1200 KWs then 30c up to 1800 and 35c thereafter.

So if one were to reduce their usage to 1200, a 33.3% reduction, they would save a whopping $180 per bill cycle. An incentive many would aim for, and we are capable, just look at our water usage, although we all got shafted on that one.

The high users would subsidize the low users, so in theory the government would not be out of pocket and, more importantly, NO TAX.

This could be applied to many forms of carbon omitting energy sources.

It stands to reason that if 33.3% of consumers reduce their emissions by 20%, in theory that should result in an overall reduction of 6%. not sure about the math.

It is always better to reward good behavior, rather than just punish bad.

Either way, businesses producing carbon, would not be doing so if not for the demands of the consumer.

Bob Katter was one of the few who really addressed the truth.It was John Howard who set up the framework for the CO2 tax and the ETS.Bob was denigrated by many there who are blindly following the Coalition.

Tony Abbott is softening his stance on the CO2 tax already and it seems like he wants the ETS.We cannot trust them and that's why we need a new party to replace Labor.

Arjay, it's not so much the tax, rather than the size of the tax and more importantly, the lie with which it was introduced under that most people are concerned about.

Quite simply, Julia and labor can't be trusted.

Most people recognize that climate change is an issue, but, even our government accept it's a global issue.

Now if our HUGE tax were to clean our air, and only our air, I am sure you would see a change of heart.

But it doesnt.

tubbers/quote..""Anton, you forget one VERY IMPORTANT fact,
that being,all additional costs incurred by suppliers,..is passed on,

*..but with an additional margin,
as business does not run on a cost recovery basis.

So, applying a margin of say 20% ,which will barely cover costs,
for every million dollars in tax,..the consumer will actually pay 1.2 million...""

where is pericules when you need him
so quick to say arjay..one thing..HE THEN DONT explain neither..

then the anton guilt thingy
us paying does nuthin..[what dont you get?..you can pay it changes nuthin..but you get nice free govt gifts,,but beware of geeks selling enron like grifts..getting enron-esq bonus..plus doing share deal scams..loading up debt outside the books

its all in the tax mate
inflation chews up the base rate to 3 times the buy back rate
what then

REDUCE
the more you use
THE MORE YOUR MUST PAY

sliding scale..the more you use,...the more you must pay

switch off you booster on your solar water selling machine
the sun heats it..get it?..dont let it be boosted..overnight
yet we subsidise your wastefull ways

enough
sack all lawyers..tax all trust funds double
what the media dont show is the crimes of the dead people..IT SHOULD*

speak ill of the dead
govt is here fr the living

let the dead tend the dead
yiour all immortal spirits..having a life 'experence'..get over materialism..you cant take the object with you/we all die..eventually

but the criminal love of sin/greed/gluttony/averice uncharitablness

that goes where you go..your ar soul
where your heart goes..the soul follows..let your heart seek the light sustaining life into love via logic..

sic*

rehctub & OUG ,the C02 tax is a tax on life.This is what the Agenda 21 fascists and the Greens want.They want to reduce the world's pop by 6 billion.

This is another reason why the BRICS nations were formed.They know the agenda of these lunatics and they with their enormous populations are at the fore front of their madness.

Just recently in Tehran 30 countries met representing almost half the world's pop and they are resolved to stop the march into Syria and the West's imperial drive for a one world Govt.As I've said the lunatics are on our side but they have started something they cannot finish without now having a serious conflict with Russia and China.

FROM 1983 to 2008 (Including 2008)
IN THIS 26 YEAR PERIOD,
WE PAID IN canada
INTEREST CHARGE(S)
ON THE FEDERAL (NATIONAL) DEBT
just under 1 trillion loonies

ACCORDING TO THE
CANADIAN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
(Table 1. Fiscal transactions)
961.2 BILLION DOLLARS.

THESE DOLLARS DID NOT GO TO
HELPING SOCIAL PROGRAMS OR
IN REDUCING OUR TAX BURDENS
OR FOR ANY INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS

SOURCES:

http://www.fin.gc.ca/frt-trf/2009/frt0901-eng.asp

http://www.fin.gc.ca/frt-trf/2008/frt08_1-eng.asp

http://www.fin.gc.ca/frt-trf/2007/frt07_1-eng.asp

http://www.fin.gc.ca/frt-trf/2006/frt06_1-eng.asp#fedgov

That's not quite the full story, one under god.

>>THESE DOLLARS DID NOT GO TO
HELPING SOCIAL PROGRAMS OR
IN REDUCING OUR TAX BURDENS
OR FOR ANY INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS<<

What is missing from this equation is the destination of the money that was borrowed in the first place. If it turns out that all of it was spent on the pay and perks of pollies and public servants, than yes, it's a scandal.

But if the borrowed money was spent on good deeds, clearly it had been necessary to borrow the money in the first place. Otherwise, widows and orphans would have starved, public transport would have come to a standstill etc. etc.

If you wanted to perform those good deeds without incurring debt, the only alternative would have been to increase the tax burden. So the complaint that repayments on those borrowings do not now permit the burden to be decreased is simply the other side of the coin: an increase had been previously avoided.

By focussing on the interest payments, you fail to acknowledge the benefits, the social programmes and infrastructure projects etc., created by the original amount borrowed.

It's the reason money gets borrowed in the first place. To do stuff.