Banjo,

And some people are too stupid to be Presidents, Vice Presidents and Defense Secretaries...Some people, if they hadn't been so stupid, would have understood the power-plays in and around Iraq and realised that creating a vacuum was going to make a smooth transition to democracy very difficult indeed.

If America's leaders hadn't been so "stupid", they might have saved a lot of soldier's lives and spared the population of Iraq the degradation they have witnessed.

Poirot,
Well you are right about one thing. The yanks, and us, were stupid to go into Irag thinking they would like democracy. All that money and our boys lives when they are too bloody stupid to see a better life for themselves. They do not know any better than to fight over minor religous differences. Looks like they need a dictator like Hussein to guide their lives. They are still blowing each other up. sunnis verses Shiites. If a dictator wants to gas a thousand or two that are causing him trouble, who cares. We tried and it is not appreciated. If Iran hang a few and stone some to death, or flog women, so be it. It is not our concern.

Lybia and Egypt and now Syria won't get better governments. Like the countries in Africa, they were better off under colonial rule. These people have no concept of democracy.

It makes me mad to see our young blokes getting killed in Afghanistan and boat loads of their young coming here to hide and for the good life, when they should be fixing their own country. To hell with them, let the Taliban have the bloody place, it wouldn't run a black snake anyway. Just a few acres here and there to grow poppies.

Certainly not worth our effort.

The Muslim brotherhood will and is already shown that they will be worse than the dictators they replaced. They murder Christians and want Sharia law. As someone rightly says '"A prisoner in Guantanamo Bay possesses more rights than a Jew or a Christian who lives under Sharia law.' The religion of peace latest
2012.07.19 (Karachi, Pakistan) - A 52-year-old leader of the Ahamdi minority is shot in the head by defenders of mainstream Islam.
2012.07.19 (Maiduguri, Nigeria) - Two traders at a market are murdered in cold blood by Boko Haram gunmen.
2012.07.19 (Sheikh Zweid, Egypt) - Bearded Islamists in robes machine-gun two local soldiers along a city street at point blank range.
2012.07.19 (Faryab, Afghanistan) - A woman and child are among eight civilians ripped to pieces by a Taliban bomb.
2012.07.18 (Kerala, India) - Campus Islamists stab three Hindu students, one of whom bleeds to death.
2012.07.18 (al-Shati, Pal. Auth.) - A 17-year-old girl is strangled by her father and brother over a moral issue.

Banjo,

I note the yanks weren't trying very hard to stop Saddam's gas attacks on Iranian soldiers while they were bosom buddies in the eighties. Nup, they went right on selling him weapons...oh, well, I suppose not all gas attacks are equal.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

Poirot, not going to take you on in the anti yank stuff.
I have shared those views.
Banjo, you are being a bit harsh,*to stupid*
We may well see many more deaths much more war from the middle east, in fact we will be engulfed by it one day.
But, no harm intended just expressing my right to think as I wish.
A religion crafted in control, in blind unquestioned faith.
In one path education.
One that ultimately says God is in control we need not consider our actions?
How could they be free?
I wish for freedom won for them selves and am sure most there do to.
Very strong forces are involved greed and yes, a religion built to control, or more unfortunately, be used to control.

Belly,

It's more anti anybody who invades a country under the guise of altruism, who destroys lives and infrastructure, causes misery and a mass exodus of refugees - all for unfettered influence over that country's primary resource.