Dear Jayb,

<<If I caught anyone molesting my daughter or my granddaughter. ---- They're dead.>>

Nothing wrong with that, provided that you can honestly state: "If I were molesting someone else's daughter or granddaughter, then I were ought to be killed; I'd rather be dead than continue living so low".

Many people can make this statement with honesty and if you are one of them, then go ahead!

OTOH, Those who cannot honestly make such a statement should not join the police-force. It would be immoral for them to do so.

Dear Scribbler,

<<You can't apply a rule therefore as the actions of most humans are determined less by logic and more by emotion.>>

The golden rule determines whether an action may be moral: this is not to deny the fact that many people (and governments for that matter) act immorally. Emotions are never wrong, but acting on them often is.

the title of the post should have been when is it ok to kill an adult. Many who think that is very wrong squirm their way out of believeing its ok to kill a baby as long as its in the mothers womb.

Dear runner,

At the root of the abortion controversy is a
basic value judgement about the human status
of the fetus. If the fetus is considered a
baby, then abortion is a form of killing:
if it is considered a mere collection of
cells and tissue, then abortion is a morally
neutral surgical procedure. But the status of
the fetus is inherently ambiguous: it is
neither self-evidently a human being nor
self-evidently just tissue. For if these matters
were self-evident, there would be little
disagreement about abortion.

On the one hand, the fetus is not a human being in the
usual sense, for it is generally not viable.
Indeed, no society treats the fetus as human; for
example if the mother accidentally miscarries, the
fetus is not given a funeral, but is simply disposed of
like any other tissue.

On the other hand, the fetus is not like just any other,
tissue such as discarded nail or hair clippings. The fetus is
potentially a human being, one that might become as
alive and unique as the posters of this forum.

The conflicting value judgements about abortion stem
from this fundamental ambiguity in the status of the
fetus.

Few issues in recent years have so divided people
as has the morality of abortion.

I have two questions for you runner. I know that you
are against abortion.

1)Where do you stand on the death
penalty?

2) What do you think of people who bomb abortion clinics
and try to kill doctors who perform abortions?

Yuyutsu,

<<Emotions are never wrong. But acting on them often is. >>

Point well made. I need to ponder this.

"If I caught anyone molesting my daughter or my granddaughter. ---- They're dead."
Jayb, I to have a granddaughter and like you I may well react the same, rage is a powerful emotion. Would it be right to kill in those circumstances, no, understandable, yes.

Scribbler,

The answer to this post is the same as in the other.

Coming by boat with no paper means that the onus is put on the dept of immigration to prove that the "refugees" aren't genuine, and given that 30% are initially assessed not to be genuine, yet the courts grant 99% asylum shows how successful this is.

Given that there are millions displaced and hundreds of millions in areas of threat, the number of those that would be happy for a fully paid house, schooling, medical, and spending money is virtually limitless. Taking 100 000 a year or more does not mean that even more will still come by boat, and no one other that the greens have entertained this concept.

The solution is in labor's term "break the business model". The only proven solution includes off shore processing among other measures.