Individual: I have always believed that that was meant to be thou shalt not murder. There's a huge difference between the two meanings. One's justified the other is not.

God gave man the Commandments.

Then the Lawyers stepped in & stuffed it all up with interpretation.

Brevick, Guillotine, Guillotine.

People who bomb Abortion clinics, Guillotine, Guillotine.

Knit 1, Knit 1, Peal, Hee, Hee, Heee.

But Shadow Minstrel, the whole purpose of the Pacific Solution, Malaysia Solution or whatever Abbott calls his policy is to stop people leaving Malaysia or whichever country they have embarked from. that is what you want isn't it? For the refugees to not get on boats and risk their lives.

So the intention of all the policies is for refugees in Malaysia to stay, in the very conditions that you are deploring. So you want the refugees to stay where they are, but you deplore the Government taking them back there? Something is not adding up here. Is it just a case of see no evil?

The Pacific Solution stopped working because it stopped being a deterrent. Refugees realised it was still quicker and conditions were better if you got yourself on a boat and got sent to the Australian processing centre rather than wait for an opportunity in squalid conditions in Asia somewhere.

The Malaysia Solution was a true deterrent. It was the brainchild of the immigration department not the government, and in true Tony Abbott fashion he ignored the advice of the department because it didn't suit his political aspirations.

90 people dead unnecessarily today partly because Tony insisted on playing politics. Because Tony wants to be PM.

Oh, yep my apologies. I got my international treaties mixed up. Good of you to pick that up and use divert people away from the hypocrisy that is your entire argument.

Dear runner,

Thank You for responding to my questions.
And you certainly are entitled to your views -
although I find them somewhat harsh. I imagine
that most people would not want to see the
days of "backstreet" abortions by private
physicians or even untrained practitioners
returned. The great majority of the population
supports abortion in cases of rape, incest,
or a threat to the mother's health, but support
for a mother's right to abortion on demand
fluctuates between just over and under half of
the population. Even so, a newspoll taken last
year found that quite a few people do wonder
whether their own position on abortion is right -
regardless of whether they oppose or approve it.
It remains a very controversial issue.

You asked what punishment I would give Breivik?
I wouldn't. I don't live in his country and
I'm not qualified to pass judgement
on the man. I would leave that up to the courts
of his country and a jury of his peers.

People who commit murder, have broken the law
and should be tried according to the law. Be they
Breivik - or those who murder doctors who perform
abortions.

David,

The point of the Pacific solution is to prevent asylum seekers from dying at sea. The premise that all the refugees will continue to languish in Malaysia is false as many of the refugees are flying into Indonesia from Afghanistan and Sri Lanka before boarding the boats.

The people smugglers are in these countries selling a product to the people who have the means to come, who are seldom those really in need.

SM,

That's actually a falsehood people on your side of the argument rely on to justify your position