So a bunch of lefties are pushing for special consideration for Joan Kirner. They want her given a parliamentary pension she doesn't qualify to receive.

Evidently she's a special case.

Why is she special, there have been plenty of other people who have damaged their state?

We are told that the Oz pension is adequate to support our elderly, we have public housing for those who did not take the necessary steps to provide their own housing in for old age, & we have public health for those who can not afford private medical treatment.

I wonder if one of these lefties would like to explain why these systems are good enough for my neighbours, but not for Joan Kirner.

Could it be that public welfare is not good enough for one of theirs?

The mere fact they are discussing the idea shows what low opinion they have for the rest of us.

whats wrong is govt supports TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS[at least]..of service..two levels of health[public/private]..pensions are also out of wak

service pensions are different ofrom other pensions[heck they even have their own privte hospitals

whats wrong is we are all treated different
those with privledge get so much morec than the rest

is not asued work life
more important than looting..the common wealth..with your bad health

one govt should run one health system
one govt should do all pension[at the same rate]
one school sytem..run by one govt..[private advantage get ya own money]

if you wanna pay extra..build ya own system
but till then..WE MUST ALL GET THE SAME*

if govt pays..its one set flat rate
retire when you chose..but no pension untill your below an income level...and not benifitiary of ANY trust

install death duties
install transaction tax
get rid of all other taxes
like it used to be..

but now you can own control and benifit from private
as well as public trusts..yet still get public asistance,,
its insane..

NO CORPERAION..or public or private trust
should out live half the benificiarys life time[as a dependant child]

grow up
you who got your own way
must pay your own way

if that fails..is why
you must pay transaction tax or death duties

cause we bailed you out
your govt credit is spent

your death will close the account
disperse your assets by public auction
all corperations must die[teqniclly by open auction of all assets[as if dead]..paying 25%..to govt of cash raised[collusion ups that to 50%

but the rich hate tax
love the free lunch

but we all die
thus all die after life [tax the dead not the living

[tax at 10%..unless you hid it in a trust
then..you must pay double]

OUG, there is some common sense in that lot, excepting the death duties part, its the final insult to lfe. One question regarding that, do you have children?

The answer is yes, Hasbeen. Politicians do believe they are a separate species, worthy of special consideration.

And every species protects their own. It's no different with politicians.

Nobody who has the power to award themselves anything they like will resist the temptation for long - it is in the nature of the job to be corrupted this way. They simply cannot see anything wrong with it.

The day has long since passed, when public servants paid even lip-service to the notion of serving the public. Their only concern is themselves, their own welfare, and their own comfort.

What amuses me, is that the current public venting of outrage, the Occupy movement, rails against capitalism, the system that enables us to enjoy the prosperity that we do. Which of course suits the government just perfectly - so long as the plebs have a different target, they won't bother us.

It is no coincidence that the vast majority of demonstrators against capitalism already rely on the State for their income and welfare. And want even more government control.

Just another instance of a species, protecting themselves.

In the 1980's when corporate greed ran unabated and our Australia had jobs, a buoyant domestic economy and a reasonable cost of living, Labor sent Victoria broke under the leadership of Caine. Kirner comes in after the party ditches Cain and the state is a basket case. Kirner attempts to cut govt spending but the unions rally against her and she loses in a landslide to Kennett. Kennett does what Kirner tried to do and turns the state around in one term.

Kirner achieved two things in her life, she sold off her states bank and she started Emily’s list, a feminist based mob that get more women into parliament. The only issue is that the women who come to the party via Emily’s list are self serving party ideologues with not an original thought in them.

Kirner is ok but she deserves nothing because she achieved nothing.

At one level - we have an administration that is
willing to provide the lady with a high level
"Honour," (Order of Australia), while at another
level there is an unwillingness to recognise in
real financial terms a most valuable contribution
to Victoria.

There are so many richly undeserving snouts in the
public trough. I find it rather sad to read that Joan
Kirner has received no parliamentary pension - despite
her service to the state, her continued community work,
and the children she has taught.

Premier Ted Baillieu - has the power to do something
about it.

And let’s hope Teddy does nothing about it. You have to start getting the snouts out of the troughs sometime, let’s start with someone who achieved nothing but fed from the public purse. Do you think that is a good idea Lexi given you brought up snouts in troughs?

PS
Honour of Australia Lexi?
Honour of the Labor party more likely, or what passes itself off as the Labor these days, full of Gillards and Wongs from Emily's list.

Pericles>> The day has long since passed, when public servants paid even lip-service to the notion of serving the public. Their only concern is themselves, their own welfare, and their own comfort.<<

Pericles there is an interesting social and workplace observation in your comment.
A generation ago public servants and bank employees had an unwritten contract with their employers. For the public service it was that wages were somewhat below private sector but the trade off was a job forever with little chance of getting sacked. For the bankies it was ordinary money but mate rate home loan rates. Where did that go?

Dear SOG,

You asked whether I support getting the "snouts
out of the troughs?" Well, a good place to start
would certainly be the continued extra benefits of
our ex-PMs. I believe that Mr Howard is receiving
the highest benefits - totally over $3 million a
year (on top of his pension of over $300,000).
You can Google this for yourself.

Now as far as the Order of Australia is concerned.

The Order of Australia is the pre-eminent way
Australians recognise the achievements and service of
their fellow citizens.

Nominations for the Order of Australia come directly
from the Community either individuals or groups.

The 19 Member Council for the Order of Australia
then considers the nominations.

The Council makes its recommendations, independent
of Government, (make a note of this SOG) - directly to the Governor General.

Lexi>> The Order of Australia is the pre-eminent way
Australians recognise the achievements and service of
their fellow citizens.<<

Lexi did anyone in your street VOTE for these eminent Australia awards?
Of course not.
Did they have input into the candidates selection?
Of course not.
Who is to say any of these folks were the Australian publics choice, a select few and we didn’t even pick them.

About Howard, I spent months telling Belly and yourself that I am non partisan in my voting,. I grew up in a Labor household and then watched the party fill with academics and lawyers until it was unrecognizable.

In the most vulgar terms, but it seems I have to paint simplistic mind pictures to enable you to understand what I write:
“Shat smells the same no matter who it comes out of.”

I follow my nose to the lesser sickening stench, and at the moment that is Liberal.

Take Howards entitlement, take all their entitlements and perhaps they would do what we want to do when they realize that they do not parachute out with a lifelong, well above average stipend.

*There are so many richly undeserving snouts in the
public trough*

I completely agree with you, Lexi. Its also what I have pointed out
to you time and time again, when you call for increased Govt spending.
What about some Govt efficiency, when it comes to spending?

Kirner should be treated no differently to anyone else. She was
clearly well paid as premier of Victoria. Where has all the money
gone?

I deserve a medal too. I've spent my life generating export dollars for the country, without leaning on taxpayer funds. Why should Kirner
be treated any differently to myself?

I suppose that I feel that a wrong was done by Kirner
all those years ago when the laws of that time
stated that it had to be 14 years of service to
get a parliamentary pension. Kirner was in for 12 years.
The only pension that she's receiving is the super that
she's paid in herself. I guess she hoped that they would
make exceptions in her case as Premier - and the laws
would be changed. They weren't.

Currently she's blin in her right eye and has severe
osteoporosis. Yet she's still contributing to the
Community as she's always done. She currently holds
the position of Victoria's Communities Ambassador -
showing disadvantaged people which buttons to push to
get things done.

Anyway, I am merely expressing my opinion in Kirner's case.
Especially after reading the article - "Howard tops ex-PMs
in perks." which makes me wonder why some get things -
others don't - and the list of benefits the ex-PMs get
is really quite amazing - all funded by the taxpayer.

cont'd ...

It seems to me that there's something dreadfully
wrong with a system that gives some politicians
very generous benefits (in addition to their
pensions) after much shorter times
of service - and yet others like Kirner - are denied
not only the benefits but a parliamentary pension
after 12 years. The laws surely must be
changed for the sake of equity.

*The laws surely must be
changed for the sake of equity*

Well yes. Politicians should have 9% of their salary paid into their
super fund, like other employees. All other perks should go, as with
other employees.

The equity that I'm talking about is the grace
period that was allowed all Liberal MPs regarding
their parliamentary pensions previously - until Jeff Kennett
refused to give it to Joan Kirner on her retirement.

He however retired on a full parliamentary pension as well
as earning money from other sources.

son of ghoul..[yes..kids..[and grandkids]
own home..full of stuff..the kids decided they wanted cash[so have mortgauged their inheritance..i paid off in full decades ago

but hey..they make their repayments
they..pay the rates[my power/bill..pre carbon-tax
is allways under 55
[but expect that to rise to 60..

for a c02/tax*..credit
some bludger,,likely got free credits for..[you know the ones 500 ALONE..lol..who will be paying it]

i live..off less than 800..a yeaR
stopped working[paying tax]..when compulsory/super was installed

[my super is in..investments..stamps/coins/gold etc..[over 3 million items]25,000 books..3000 lps/records/tapes reel to real..etc[thats my super]..a lot of things..i could sell for 50 cents each

and the kids..will sell
at a garage sale...for pennies on/the,,$

instead govt should be paying me..to protect it..till the day i die..and govt takes it back..[i spent..*what others spend on booze..but i now..got too much..]

but..a lot of it..was done by investing govt income
which soon..as i run out of..will need to begin selling.investments

im one of them hoarders
you know..we think its worth money
but others see its all rubbish..dont realise..some has value

govt proffesionals..could disperse it better
if govt was paying me..they could collect a share[10/20%]

kids get 80%[for nuthin]

think of private trusts
that never..make any proffit..whos benificiaries..live in grand homes/cars holiday etc..

paid for via..the loss making trust collusions
who never paid tax..centuray after centuray

lexie/quote..""He/retired
on/a..full parliamentary pension
as well..as earning money.from other sources.""

the idea of a govt/pension..was to cover transition..from politics
but now a days..it seems you can get payoff..*plus a board seat consultations..lobby work..kickbacks and real estate deals globally

i hear of all former pms..
[at one stage]..not one was living in oz

oh forgot we got a nice ambassidrial posting..[not to mention family trust arrangments]

if you got..a fat family trust
[and which poli or upper public servant/lawyer..docter accountant...poli dont]

you shouldnt double dip..if you take any pension
you shouldnt be doing any paid work.,.before repaying

its too easy..they sent me a letter
i didnt reply..and lost my pension..why shouldnt they?.

Thanks for that OUG, it answers my question. You did a big thing in getting the second mortgage and relying on circumstance being favorable for the kids. I could never put into jeopardy the piece of dirt that I call home for my kids, unless it was life or death. A selfless act, well done.

mate ..im peeved about it
but the family decided..

turned out it was to securitise
their credit cards UNSECURED credit cards..[lol]
how many of my generation stand to loose it all[ok only house]
because bankers over lent to kids,..with family homes..to spend for yesterdays spending

its elder abuse
but you cant complain cause you polute the family name
mate i lived my life//built and own everything[never owned any credit card]..but death is close[i dont know how/why l lived this long

but i know goct is entitled to its fair share
unlike the holders of family trusts...
who pay nuthin

eat the rich
once the rich steal it all

we chose our lives and live it..as best as we can
to keep the family peace is as simple as mortgauging the family home

and working till ya drop
preferably in a casual position to minimise days off for holidays or sick..

[we are from euro genes..we die pre retirement..
[so far im the oldest male in my gene line..ever]
been the eldest living male for going on 30 years

i seen too much
im so over this reality
[im surprised you read it..most claim not to]

but thats likely only in regards to stuff they cant refute
anyhow..tax the rich..before we need to eat them..[im just serving my time]..knowing this is hell..and only by hanging onto it..does it continue in the next life

so im over it
sure hide ya wealth..in a family trust
they are just leeches..rhinehart..[im of the hart [deer]...too]
my genes come from the rhine...its funny the difference between her and her family..trust

and mine
the mine is mine
the trust is a huge distrust
this world is insane..

greed subvets plenty..
that creates need..

but those with the most credit..
are spiritually in discredit..[debt]spitritually impoverised

kids who never grew up
bah

Kirner behaved very poorly in the DOGS case and in doing so assisted in the waste of public funds going to religious schools.

She deserves nothing, just for her part in that national disgrace.

There are many people who just lose out on gaining some benefit just when they could use it.

Look at all those parents who care for their children for all their lives who get SFA from the state, while our Tory mates here love to send people to jail and spend hundreds of thousands on them to keep them learning bad habits.

Tell Kirner to work part time, or sell her OA on ebay, where the Victorian ALP could buy it for a squillion dollars.

'Premier Ted Baillieu - has the power to do something
about it.'

Well Lexi if the Labour party had 300000 plus to pay legal bills for Thomson surely they could help one of their own.

Dear runner,

The point being made is that if all previous
Liberal Party MPs were granted parliamentary
pensions for their services - regardless of
their length of service - then a Labor Premier
should also be entitled to the same benefits.

As for Joan Kirner working part-time as you
suggest. She continues to contribute to Co9mmunity
work - as she's always done. Kindly re-read my
previous posts.

Alan Parker • OAM

I am not a member of the Labor party but I knew Joan Kirner and she got lumbered with sorting out the mess created by ALP males. And she worked Dammed hard and listened to local community groups needs expressed by people like me and tried hard to do something about it. She did deserve her Order of Australia and any assistance. After all John Howard
assisted Bob Hawkes first wife.

There are too many meanies involved in this discussion .

Lexi

Your post is not making alot of sense. Are you suggesting that Ms Kirner has been singled out to miss out on a pension simply because she was a Labour not a Liberal Premier? I doubt this is the case.

Dear runner,

Re-read my previous posts.
Jeff Kennett made the decision not
to grant Kirner the grace period that
was previously granted to all Liberal MPs regarding
parliamentary pensions in Victoria.
It happened.