Belly,

Considering that Labor's tenure is littered with lies, broken promises and half truths (especially the no carbon tax lie) Labor has a long way to go to reach the level of trustworthiness of the coalition. The modelling based on shonky assumptions (such as China, the USA and the EU will have similar carbon prices) needs to be revisited.

The carbon tax is temporary, and will be gone within 18 months. I don't believe that labor will stand in the way, as a DD election will dump their senators from their cushy jobs.

The existing alternative power sources cannot meet the required demand, and nuclear is the only viable base load alternative.

Pension scam? OUG getting difficult to read past your first line.
But granted you are closer to the truth than SM, but still not very close.

The Hon. Shadow Minister,

Really, if

(a) AGW was a genuine danger, and

(b) the Carbon Tax was one effective way of dealing with it, then

(c) I wouldn't mind paying 20 % or more extra on my electricity bills.

But ..... there are so many steps between (a) and (c).

If, as the respected and revered Anthonyve is correct, and ocean temperatures go up a massive one degree in the next four hundred years, then, so it seems to a simple-minded person like me, so do temperatures generally:

* the temperature of everything, trees, deserts, tundra, ice-caps, cities, goes up more or less one degree, give or take. As long as governments do nothing in the meantime, for four hundred years.

Terrifying stuff. We need to do something about urgently.

As for the carbon tax, as one way to do something about it urgently:

In the sixties, unless I dreamt it, someone invented a toy which was a black box with a switch in the front and a wind-up key at the back. You wound the key up and switched the switch to 'On', then the lid of the box opened, a hand came out and reached forward to switch the switch to 'Off', then went back into the box and the lid closed.

Cheers,

Joe

Ahhh yes I remember that box Loudmouth.
Four hundred years !
How much fossil fuels will be still available then ?
Zero, except a bit of oil for medical plastics I hope.
No matter who you think is right, in 50 years time there will be next
to no oil being used and very little coal either.
Oil is getting harder and more expensive to find and exploit and coal
quality is decreasing as the easy mines are worked out.

We have to give a much higher priority to alternative energies than
any of the AGW proponents believe.

No one has answered my question as to why the temperature rises first
and then the CO2 rises ?

loudmouth...yes i know[i got one]

only in mine you place a coin..[on top of the coffin lid]
and a scelital arms..comes out scoops up the coin..
and take the coin into the hoard..[its a money box]

just like the carbon tax is a cash cow
take a penny..its tax

a tax that allows free plution privledges[to the worst of the 500]
while we in the thousands will and must pay

or do we
what proof the carbon credit..is really being bought

I WANT A SPECIAL RECIEPT*
to prove im not paying..for what they got from juliar for free

bazz i seem to recall cold water holds more c02
its all looping together cause affect[thats why they dont like that poiunted out]..but heck its still valid to ask

ps..re reefs[ie limestone]..thats c02 captured
england is on a huge reef or limestone[the barrier reef carbon capture must be huge[so stop the damm guilt trip]..our reef captures mnassive ammounts of c02

whale poop does too
see iron oxide soaked in fat..allows the iron oxide to float long enough for the sun to capture/convert store the co2 in micro plancton..and put lipoprotiens into algie..[the real true source of most of the good oil...ie not dinosaur juice]

so more whales=less carbon
more captured and sent back to the deep

the polar current also
it runs in a 120 year cycle
apparently massive ammounts of free greenhouse gasses [of all sorts].are comming out after their time [120 years]..in the deep

capture/conversion/releasing /balancing...ofsetting[ozmosis]
whatever..is not as simple as science faithfull namecalers want it to be.