SPQR,
"retired pollies should restrict their attention/activities to pottering about in their family garden."

Does that apply to Reith, Minchin, Costello and Howard as well , (because they still like to make media comments) or just those pollies who say things you disagree with?

"Fabrication 7: Temporary protection visas and the ‘Pacific Solution’ did not stopped the boats –FALSE!
TPV’s were a major factor in deterring phony “asylum seekers” which is why advocates are terrified they will be reintroduced."

No, TPVs were found to be ineffective and leading to more women and children undertaking boat crossings and the numbers of refugees INCREASED after their introduction.

"Fabrication 11 : It is Not safe for “asylum seekers” back to where they came from-FALSE!
Large numbers of “refugees” return to their “much feared” country of origin for VFR soon after securing an OZ meal ticket."

Large numbers? Any figures to back this up? The media has reported on several returned refugees being killed upon their return.

If all refugees are shonks then all priests must be paedophiles, all lawyers are criminals and all men are rapists and murderers.

Such as SPQR are never going to vote Labor, and never going to concede any good in us.
On our return to government, we armed our self with good intentions.
We took on board while Hawk and his treasurer then PK on his own, did extremely well we had a taint to us.
Voters remembered the high interest nightmares, and the mindless unhelpful chant *what a great set of numbers*
Followed by the *recession we had to have*
We came near to election victory,under the good and wanted big Kim.
But stumbled at the finish, over a rock named boat people.
A Blond Blue eyed Shayne Warne of politics came to us.
Few know it but at first Union power brokers both stood against him, while the few, wisest,fought for him.
Kevin reminded us, and Australia, that he understood our fears about interest rates about perceptions Labor was not safe hands for the economy.
He actually proved that wrong.
Boat people! we used the issue! helped by lies baby over board,hiding a POSSIBLE DELIBERATE MASS MURDER! the mysterious sinking of a refugee boat at sea,we promised?
Well we promised better!
We tried, we failed, assisted by an act of children of unwed parents we failed, over ruled by courts acting on behalf of leftist lawyers.
Abbott's inability to put this tool away, talk of a solution.
We have a plan, it will work, but at the INSISTENCE of greens, minority's, that Australians think other than we do!
We are about to go in to long term opposition!
Wrongly but firmly branded.
Because we can not stop the boats.
And because we, Australian Labor Party are leg ironed by others good intentions.
If these boat people lived within our community's, not excluding us and them selves to enclaves AUSTRALIANS would still want those who cannot pay $11.500 to be those we take.
Those we interview first.
Lexi Tony Abbott has Friends in wedging the ALP, the very same folk who in two years will wish they could come back and fix this now rather than let him implement his policy's.

@Wobbles,

The first question I should ask you is whether any evidence/reasoning I present will make an iota of difference?

But be that as it may:

The purpose of the Refugee Convention is/was to protect persons from persecution.
TPVs are perfectly legal and acceptable under the convention—they are an integral part of the convention.

However, the refugee industry would have us believe that they cause undue trauma among the “asylum seekers” .
But why would this be so –they GUARANTEE the holder protection for as long as the danger remains.

TPV’s would only induce angst/insecurity if the purpose of your trip to OZ wasn’t protection— but permanent economic advancement.

And, there exists NO good reason why “asylum seekers” should not return to their old country after the the danger of *persecution*
has passed.And there exists PLENTY of good reasons why they should.

We still have East Timorese who *sought shelter* during the Indonesian invasion/occupation!

@ Lexi
Do you see me citing Howard, Costello & Co?
And even when I refer to them it's never as additions to Mathew Mark Luke & John.

@Belly,

<< such as SPQR are never going to vote Labor, and never going to concede any good in us>>

LOL

I think you and I have more common ground than you allow.
We need to get past the idea that this is an ALP V Libs sparring match --this is an issue of great importance to ALL Australians.

PS:My very first vole was for the ALP.

Agreed, this isn't about left vs right it's about both sides convincing Australians to vote against their own interests.
Nobody can explain how allowing Third World refugees into Australia makes Australian born people, safer, richer or healthier, it's just "because".
Because Anglicare, SERCO and the Salvos make millions of dollars out of them.
Because they can be used in a tug of war between left and right factions of our irrelevant and incompetent political caste.
This is an issue where the hypocrisy and NewSpeak starts right at the bottom, when otherwise materialistic people immediately have to start talking about ephemeral concepts such as "Intrinsic values" and "Human rights".

The obvious answer is a return the solution that worked. The Pacific solution.

I tend to take a contrarian position just to see how people respond and to push boundaries in the way these issues are discussed.
What if I said most "Refugees" are not "Shonks", nor are they the most "vulnerable" people, as they are so often described.
We seem to have a high number of middle class, educated "refugees" arriving here, former Lawyers, Doctors, Journalists and business people.
What these "oppressive" regimes tend to do, particularly in Africa is shake down and harass the people with money and imprison intellectuals and dissenters, we're not getting the "poorest of the poor", we're getting the displaced Bourgeoisie and managerial types who suffer under these frequent regime changes.
We're also being sold a load of hooey on this "cultural enrichment" excuse, how many more middle class Christians and liberals with a pro Western outlook do we need?
A Catholic is a Catholic, a Pentecostal Christian from Sudan differs little in outlook and habits to one migrating from China we're not gaining anything in that regard and theoretically the "progressives" among us should be as squarely opposed to these "backward" viewpoints in non whites as they are with the majority WASP ACL.