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Evidence that Illegal boat people are shonks
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Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 9 June 2012 2:11:52 PM
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Lexi I have the greatest respect for you.
You may not like it, but I avoid news that sees only its side of issues. Hence get up Matilda and more as much as the Murdock trash. And trash it is. Leaves me short of news but nearly as balanced as it can get. Every publication has its own view, pushes its own thoughts needs wants and wishes. If we let one push our views without asking our selves why? we fail our selves. Debate with me, not the wrongs and rights of boat refugees. Not of the pain and suffering, not the horrible deaths. Do not tell me about more refugees coming via ships even but planes mostly. Those,and many will be the number, who intensely dislike me for my views, please tell me. John Winston Howard, yes the Children over board lied, but did he not win over LABOR VOTERS BY STOPPING THE BOATS? A link exists! again I bare myself to be flogged! But it will remain true never the less, Sydney's ENCLAVES of another religion another culture mostly uninterested in mine. Is maybe the reason we do not want unselected arrivals. Say it, so many will! we have prospered on migration, and those migrants their children and grand children think as I do. Labor mucked it up, we must fix it,conservatives will stand in the way of fixing it. But we will never win an election if we ignore the wishes of most Australians STOP THE BOATS. Posted by Belly, Saturday, 9 June 2012 4:42:49 PM
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Hi Lexi,
Thanks for linking us to your Sunday School question and answer sheet --I’ve corrected some of the many errors. (we are thankful at least that this time you didn’t link us to New Matilda!) Debunking the fabrications: Fabrication 1 The small number of “asylum seekers” should not cause us concern-FALSE! The number of contraband smugglers operating through our airports are small –should we show a similar lack of concern on this front? Fabircation2: The number of boat people have sought asylum in Australia in is tiny when compared to other countries-A MISREPRESENTATION To compare the Australia’s “hosting” with countries like Syria, Jordan , Chad etc –none of whom has any intention of granting their illegals full and permanent citizenship—is the height idiocy. Fabrication 3: Australia receives no more refugees than most other country-A MISREPRESENTATION Ditto answer two Fabrication 4: Other countries host as many or more “refugees” than OZ –A MISREPRESENTATION Ditto answer two Fabrication 5: The influx into OZ is purely part of a worldwide trend—FALSE! It has more to do with the ALP softening of border protection measures Posted by SPQR, Saturday, 9 June 2012 4:50:50 PM
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Fabrication 6: Australia does not take any more asylum seekers now than ever before-FALSE.
The number has been increasing and Chris Bowen our esteemed Minister for (illegal) Immigration is on records as saying he wishes to increase the intake further. . Fabrication 7: Temporary protection visas and the ‘Pacific Solution’ did not stopped the boats –FALSE! TPV’s were a major factor in deterring phony “asylum seekers” which is why advocates are terrified they will be reintroduced. Fabrication 8: People who come by boat are ‘Legals’ --FALSE They are properly termed ILLEGALS. Fabrication 9: Most asylum seekers come by plane- ANOTHER MISREPRESENTION Most that come by plane are quickly repatriated .Unlike the majority who arrive by boat who even when they are found not to be genuine often “cannot” be returned. Fabrication 10: There are no evidence of terrorists on the boats-FALSE! Indonesian police have arrested “asylum seekers” intent on going to OZ who had mobile phones with al- Qaeda contact numbers. Fabrication 11 : It is Not safe for “asylum seekers” back to where they came from-FALSE! Large numbers of “refugees” return to their “much feared” country of origin for VFR soon after securing an OZ meal ticket. Fabrication 12: By ratifying the Refugee Convention in 1954 Australia gave any person with a well founded fear of persecution the right to request protection in Australia As it currently operates OZ grants full citizenship (and lifelong welfare) to whoever can spin a good story.. PS: this guy wants to say hello and thanks to all the advocates downunder who made his stay in OZ possible http://tinyurl.com/884npkm He’ll look you up next time he boats in! Posted by SPQR, Saturday, 9 June 2012 4:52:34 PM
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With almost 100% of arrivals (kept on the mainland or offshore) successful in asylum claims, as assured by the government funded legal industry surrounding them, there are only two ways forward.
1) The Green way i.e. open the border and take all-comers. This saves money on border control, detention, legal challenges and prosecuting people-smugglers, but puts no limit on intake or cost to the budget. 2) The Malaysian swap, with UN blessing, to strangle the flow of boats and limit the intake to a suitable number processed in Malaysia and elsewhere in the world. Australia can vote for what is "suitable" as each party proposes to budget for at elections. However, the opposition doesn't want a transparent way forward that could possibly succeed and Greens are sentimental sops who will be martyred at the next election. Posted by Luciferase, Saturday, 9 June 2012 5:04:06 PM
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Dear SPQR,
Try reading all of the given links. Then try comprehending what is being said - especially by the facts presented by all relevant departments. You are entitled to your opinions - but the facts contradict you. Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 9 June 2012 5:07:54 PM
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http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3886792.html