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The Forum > General Discussion > The way we calculate employment is over due for an overhaul.

The way we calculate employment is over due for an overhaul.

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'Um, er, duh ... Houellie'

My apologies, I must have thought you were Foxy. I do suspect though that if the roles were reversed and Abbott had crossed and someone from the ALP had done a runner, it would still be considered all the fault of Mr Rabbit.
Posted by Houellebecq, Monday, 4 June 2012 8:10:40 AM
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*The other side of the coin that employers can no longer rely on loyalty from their staff.*

They can't do that anyhow, Wobbles. It is one of the problems which
the mining industry constantly faces. They will train up people,
spend a fortune on that training and the moment staff are offered
a few cents more, they are off.

If I open a small business, I have no guarantee that customers will
keep buying from me. If circumstances change, my business can fold
in a few months. Under those circumstances, why should employees
be mollycoddled with termination payments and all the rest, while
the small business owner loses his house. I've seen plenty cash
in on their termination payments, only to find another job the
following week. Its a bit like winning lotto for them.
Posted by Yabby, Monday, 4 June 2012 9:15:30 AM
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only gabby could say that loosing ya job/ya holiday
ya long service/sic*pay/pension
is like winning lotto

lol

govt should bailout workers entitlements
thats what they are there for...not to make taxes offset with grants gifts infastructure tarining for what in 40 years will be yet another poluted ghost town...[once the fixed incomne yabby fartmers cant afford to pay the rent]

its funny
its allmost like he never heard of boom/bust
the same thing..banko wins

bailout the private bank
by a central bank monetising..a govt bond
[that deefaltes the value/inflates the price..but adds no real value]
till the colluders steal enough..via hyper inflating their debt for pennies in the dollar

no death duties..by the wealthy elites
tax minimising via their corperate or family trust

while the rest get new taxes
only 1000 will pay?
ok juliar..are you one..who too will refuse to pay?
there are far worse poluters than thee or me..but they get diesal subsidy..free acces [or unsused rights to hoard our wealth in shelf companies]

bah on the lot of em
hope you dont hide ya wealth in a bank mate

of course you dont
so the boom of the bust..wont hurt you

good for you
you too will know that great feeling
getting nothing for something..feels
JUST LIKE WINNING LOTTO

get blotto
having your cake plus the too nig to fail bailout too
Posted by one under god, Monday, 4 June 2012 11:39:05 AM
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'why should employees
be mollycoddled with termination payments and all the rest, while
the small business owner loses his house.'

Well why should employees pay tax, while business owners claim everything as a business expense and buy all assets they use for personal use in the name of the business, and effectively receive nominal income. Then when they are about to go bust, transfer to the wife's name I suppose.

Business owners get a bit more warning they are in trouble, hell they've been fudging the books for years, the employee gets about 1 month notice.

'the moment staff are offered
a few cents more, they are off. '

Anyway Yabbs, in your capitalist utopia, why doesn't the mining company protect their investment by keeping up with market rates?
Posted by Houellebecq, Monday, 4 June 2012 12:23:01 PM
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*Well why should employees pay tax, while business owners claim everything as a business expense and buy all assets they use for personal use in the name of the business*

You have clearly never bought a business, Houllie. Depending on
the business, a great deal will come straight from your bank account,
with no deductions at all, other deductions over many years.
Yes, some business owners fudge the books, which welcomes a visit
by the tax office.

* why doesn't the mining company protect their investment by keeping up with market rates?*

Well they do, Houllie. Rather then spending all that money on
training, they use the savings to steal workers from other companies.
Posted by Yabby, Monday, 4 June 2012 2:45:13 PM
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GM to buy out white-collar pensions
http://www.suntimes.com/business/12911177-420/gm-to-buy-out-white-collar-pensions.html



General Motors Co. will change the way..lol
it makes pension payments to white-collar retirees,
cutting its underfunded U.S. pension obligation by $26 billion.
[sounds a good move..they should do the same for public servants]

but wait
theres more
Jim Rogers Govt Makes Up the Numbers on Unemployment, Inflation
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=19019

america's Transition To A Part-Time Worker
Society Accelerates As Part-Time Jobs Hit Record

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/americas-transition-part-time-worker-society-accelerates-part-time-jobs-hit-record


Finally, yesterday, the BLS' latest jobs report confirmed that our concerns have been valid all along: as of May, part-time jobs just as disclosed by the Bureau of Labor Statistics hit an all time high, over 28 million!

These are people who traditionally have zero job benefits, including healthcare and retirement, and which according to the BLS "work less than 35 hours per week."

In other words, as little as one hour per week of "work"
is enough to classify one a part-time worker.

lest we forget the nips
http://enenews.com/japan-lawmaker-tepco-govt-telling-lies-people-officials-hidden-real-numbers-given-wrong-video

you cant eat the food
but you will 'live' here
http://enenews.com/local-official-5000000-bqkg-and-no-decontamination-we-cant-eat-food-grown-here-but-we-are-forced-to-live-here

but im more intrested in the 3 nuke natzi subs heading for a stealth premtion somewhere in your news any day now
http://www.thelocal.de/national/20120603-42917.html

lest we forget
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3319663041501647311

or how about the greece prisoners on starvation rations
or the 65 billion bailout while every eye is on hrh
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

but well we got workers to spare
just not trained in the skills we need

so how is business..helping
import em..[let the poor eat cake]

water recycling[drink sewrage]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jun/02/water-system-toxic-contraceptive-pill
Posted by one under god, Monday, 4 June 2012 5:00:17 PM
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