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The way we calculate employment is over due for an overhaul.
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Posted by Houellebecq, Monday, 4 June 2012 8:10:40 AM
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*The other side of the coin that employers can no longer rely on loyalty from their staff.*
They can't do that anyhow, Wobbles. It is one of the problems which the mining industry constantly faces. They will train up people, spend a fortune on that training and the moment staff are offered a few cents more, they are off. If I open a small business, I have no guarantee that customers will keep buying from me. If circumstances change, my business can fold in a few months. Under those circumstances, why should employees be mollycoddled with termination payments and all the rest, while the small business owner loses his house. I've seen plenty cash in on their termination payments, only to find another job the following week. Its a bit like winning lotto for them. Posted by Yabby, Monday, 4 June 2012 9:15:30 AM
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only gabby could say that loosing ya job/ya holiday
ya long service/sic*pay/pension is like winning lotto lol govt should bailout workers entitlements thats what they are there for...not to make taxes offset with grants gifts infastructure tarining for what in 40 years will be yet another poluted ghost town...[once the fixed incomne yabby fartmers cant afford to pay the rent] its funny its allmost like he never heard of boom/bust the same thing..banko wins bailout the private bank by a central bank monetising..a govt bond [that deefaltes the value/inflates the price..but adds no real value] till the colluders steal enough..via hyper inflating their debt for pennies in the dollar no death duties..by the wealthy elites tax minimising via their corperate or family trust while the rest get new taxes only 1000 will pay? ok juliar..are you one..who too will refuse to pay? there are far worse poluters than thee or me..but they get diesal subsidy..free acces [or unsused rights to hoard our wealth in shelf companies] bah on the lot of em hope you dont hide ya wealth in a bank mate of course you dont so the boom of the bust..wont hurt you good for you you too will know that great feeling getting nothing for something..feels JUST LIKE WINNING LOTTO get blotto having your cake plus the too nig to fail bailout too Posted by one under god, Monday, 4 June 2012 11:39:05 AM
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'why should employees
be mollycoddled with termination payments and all the rest, while the small business owner loses his house.' Well why should employees pay tax, while business owners claim everything as a business expense and buy all assets they use for personal use in the name of the business, and effectively receive nominal income. Then when they are about to go bust, transfer to the wife's name I suppose. Business owners get a bit more warning they are in trouble, hell they've been fudging the books for years, the employee gets about 1 month notice. 'the moment staff are offered a few cents more, they are off. ' Anyway Yabbs, in your capitalist utopia, why doesn't the mining company protect their investment by keeping up with market rates? Posted by Houellebecq, Monday, 4 June 2012 12:23:01 PM
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*Well why should employees pay tax, while business owners claim everything as a business expense and buy all assets they use for personal use in the name of the business*
You have clearly never bought a business, Houllie. Depending on the business, a great deal will come straight from your bank account, with no deductions at all, other deductions over many years. Yes, some business owners fudge the books, which welcomes a visit by the tax office. * why doesn't the mining company protect their investment by keeping up with market rates?* Well they do, Houllie. Rather then spending all that money on training, they use the savings to steal workers from other companies. Posted by Yabby, Monday, 4 June 2012 2:45:13 PM
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GM to buy out white-collar pensions
http://www.suntimes.com/business/12911177-420/gm-to-buy-out-white-collar-pensions.html General Motors Co. will change the way..lol it makes pension payments to white-collar retirees, cutting its underfunded U.S. pension obligation by $26 billion. [sounds a good move..they should do the same for public servants] but wait theres more Jim Rogers Govt Makes Up the Numbers on Unemployment, Inflation http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=19019 america's Transition To A Part-Time Worker Society Accelerates As Part-Time Jobs Hit Record http://www.zerohedge.com/news/americas-transition-part-time-worker-society-accelerates-part-time-jobs-hit-record Finally, yesterday, the BLS' latest jobs report confirmed that our concerns have been valid all along: as of May, part-time jobs just as disclosed by the Bureau of Labor Statistics hit an all time high, over 28 million! These are people who traditionally have zero job benefits, including healthcare and retirement, and which according to the BLS "work less than 35 hours per week." In other words, as little as one hour per week of "work" is enough to classify one a part-time worker. lest we forget the nips http://enenews.com/japan-lawmaker-tepco-govt-telling-lies-people-officials-hidden-real-numbers-given-wrong-video you cant eat the food but you will 'live' here http://enenews.com/local-official-5000000-bqkg-and-no-decontamination-we-cant-eat-food-grown-here-but-we-are-forced-to-live-here but im more intrested in the 3 nuke natzi subs heading for a stealth premtion somewhere in your news any day now http://www.thelocal.de/national/20120603-42917.html lest we forget http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3319663041501647311 or how about the greece prisoners on starvation rations or the 65 billion bailout while every eye is on hrh http://whatreallyhappened.com/ but well we got workers to spare just not trained in the skills we need so how is business..helping import em..[let the poor eat cake] water recycling[drink sewrage] http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jun/02/water-system-toxic-contraceptive-pill Posted by one under god, Monday, 4 June 2012 5:00:17 PM
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My apologies, I must have thought you were Foxy. I do suspect though that if the roles were reversed and Abbott had crossed and someone from the ALP had done a runner, it would still be considered all the fault of Mr Rabbit.