Belly,
Quote,"The Woman leader, the one from this union, I know nothing about her.
But while threats and such have been made to her,is she the workers hero for highlighting the grubby actions?
YES".

Agreed, then why was she treated the way she was? What does this tell us about the morality of the union and its members.

Is solidarity more important than supporting a person that does the right thing for the members. She had an obligation to, and acted, in the interests of the union members.

I do not wish to get you offside with your own, but would like more comments from you about this aspect.

I want this HSU scandal to keep on going.

This keeps on getting better and better for the coalition, as it slowly bakes Juliar and taints everything it touches with incompetence, corruption and sleaze.

The labor created and stacked FWA is looking both corrupt, incompetent and partisan, and should now be fair game for the coalition to scrap or change. The unions simply look grubby, and Labor and Juliar get tarred as corrupt and sleazy.

While this slowly grinds away with its weekly dose of bad grime for Labor, Juliar's message of "trust me" is received with scorn by the voters, and any hope of turning Labor's fortunes around are torpedoed.

Belly

The decline about Labor is also about performance. In Qld, Paul Lucas was Health Minister for a while. Cannot fault his character, but he made big stuff ups in his portfolio. But this I believe is a minor issue in State Labor's economic performance. with massive immigration in recent years the main cause of state debt. With the exception of Bob Carr, there seems to be denial that the huge infrastructure costs resultant from the growth has been a problem. Consequently Labor has been maligned as wasteful and incompetent.

Federally though, it is a rabble, with philosophical ideals overriding sound judgement. Ferguson, Smith, and the newly appointed Carr have the practicality, but frankly there is too much sewage in the pipes to allow any sensible decisions to be flushed through. Poor decisions and waste aside, the decision to allow mining companies to source foreign workers seems a betrayal of the union movement. Employment and education are a sound foundation for success. Yabbering about a skills shortage that requires foreign workers when it is apparent that many Australians are keen for the training and employment just makes people more aggravated.

RObert I know less than you, yes I however know about the QLD bloke, like him, but no he is quite wrong.
Union funds are for union activity's, a day will come when this is made clear.
Banjo, too late mate, but history may judge me better.
NOTHING is more important to me than UNIONISM/LABOR.
SOLIDARITY has become a filthy word.
If I stand on a street corner out side the yellow Arch's selling rotten fish, only those who love rotten fish are going to buy.
This ACTU action, in my view, had to happen, Tony Abbott is selling rotten fish, and some are buying it.
He is using this issue, and in truth he is not alone, union members in every union are watching this.
Rather than cover it up, it should be highlighted by the union movement.
It has now,but yes the woman was threatened, I do not think by every one, she should not have been.
My party and SOME UNIONS must fix these issues before we get to know about them.
Power brokers do not like me.
I except that.
But forever stand by my right to be me,the same bloke who recruited in places others could not.
AND it is now my view Labors reforms must be matched within the union movement.
Both are too important to be miss used by such as the 4 dirt bags in the HSU.
Lower costs in running unions, get national offices enforcing national rules, not multi branches multi heads all costing money.
And not separate rule or ways of working in every state or even the same state.
Banjo, trust me, unions are not all the same, this is evil, but an every day thing in business.

Fester mate, no not true leaches are putting adds in papers promising jobs in mines but it is mostly a fraud.
The jobs exist,but not for every one.
Please understand it was so 40 years ago, as a cane loco driver in QLD I watched mates recruited to go the Iron ore trains and be trained in WA, some are still there.
Howard too had imported workers I have serviced them from many country's south Africa, to Ireland.
We see dreamers who live in city's and have no skills telling them selves they can work and learn the skills ,health and safety alone keeps them out of those jobs.
And living in a donga is no fun for newbies,
We are getting skills training now more than ever.
J W Howard saw very few trained, re read the horror story's of his training .
It, considering the leaps and bounds by Labor is both wrong and unfare to charge them on this issue.

'Ferguson, Smith, and the newly appointed Carr have the practicality,'

Well I certainly hope Smith who I thought was a decent bloke has learnt from his cheap nasty political stunt with the armed forces that trashed a good man's reputation. People in the know would think a lot more of him if he swallowed his pride and apologised for his atrocious political point scoring that has cause him to lose the respect of many good soldiers.