Paul 1405
Yes I did misunderstand what you wrote.
I do not know anything about the conference or indeed about the
motions that were the subject of the utube clip.
They were projected on a screen above the chairman so were not visable
to the TV.
My critism was devoted to the poor understanding of procedure and the
misunderstanding of how an amendment is handled.

So when Bob Brown now says that the world green movement supports his
policy of a world government he will be wrong because both motions are invalid.

Generally I do not support the greens because I think they let their
objectives get in the way of reallity.
Perhaps I should explain my attitude.

I am in favour of alternative energy systems but i believe it is much
more urgent than the Greens believe.
I would recommend anyone to read the Hirsch Report.
A bit of history on the report. It was commissioned by the US Dept
of Energy but when it was completed in 2005 they did not like it as
it was contrary to the opinion of the EIA (Energy Information Authority)
So it was put onto an obscure web site, but was found sometime later
by some US High School kids and put out for all to see.

In the report Hisch states that to manage a smooth transition to an
alternative energy regime will require 20 years before peak oil.
Peak Crude Oil we now know occurred in 2006. The production of crude
oil has been static since 2006 and the slack has been made up in a
reduction of use by US & Europe due to the GFC and an increase in
biofuels.
However total production of crude plus all liquids has not increased
yet demand is increasing in China and India.

This is why the Greens have their policies wrong, we need to use
all of our energy sources such as coal and oil to make the transition.
We are now too late to avoid a long period of depression in the
economy while we crank up alternative energy regimes.

If anyone finds what I said to be away with the fairies then read
this url.

http://www.bloomingtonalternative.com/node/10936

It is not a scientific paper it is just the writing of the Mayor of a
city who has studied the implications. It just popped up on my screen
when I finished the last post and went to emails.

You can find plenty of scientific papers that you can spend weeks studying.

The IEA (International Energy Authority) the OECD body setup to study
oil supply tells us that we need to find a new Saudi Arabia every two
years just to keep supply constant, let alone increase supply for
developing countries.
In the two years since we have not discovered a new Saudi Arabia.

This is the problem that the Greens need to push on.
If they did I would probably vote for them.

OUG I will try and answer your questions

so you had an invite? Yes
and bought a guest? Yes
I have bought guests to Greens meetings before as observers, never been a problem.

but you know how to right? How to what, can not understand the question.

your invited right? Answered that question above.

how many greenies/
need i lead...to get into this meeting? Just one, you.

that meeting [a deligates meeting}.. right? No

OUG My branch meetings usually attracts about 30 held one a month about 10 meetings a year. More attend at election time. Regardless of who you are in The Greens if you nominate to stand as a Greens candidate at any level of government you have to make your case before the rank and file at a pre-selection meeting, and be voted on, be it for the Senate or the local council.

paul/quote..'' My branch meetings usually attracts about 30''

paul quote...""there was about 200 people there.""
c;early it was higher than 'a branch meeting'

mate i know as a card carrying cash cow..i still couldnt make my way into that meeting of 200 plus[going by the cars]

i was then green
giving the greens cash..[by autodeduction]
but when i heard of a meting..i wasnt allowed into the in

nuthing more
nuthing less

you have your experiences
i lived mine...and thus i tested *all the parties

and found them all wanting
i want them gone..[yes i know it wont happen]
but green is more than all the browns...

browned off former greenie
ben there dun that...and couldnt even get in to buy the tshirt

im glad it works for you
it dont work for all

im not after sympathy
i simply wanted to attend my first green meting
it resulted in my last try to 'join' into..*any party

if its not tom burns lying to me...
its the greens telling the hemp party..not to run
for the fed senete..[cause greens would loose half their doper vote]

thus some things..stay policy
and the vile gets dun

Hi OUG,

I as a Green would not tolerate any member or potential member being excluded from any meeting to which they are entitled to attend. We welcome new members with open arms. As your post indicated that you are in the ACT/Canberra area I did have a word with someone from the ACT Greens about exclusions they were not aware of this practice at branch level. Unlike the Labor and Liberal parties we do not have factions within the Greens so neither branch stacking or exclusions are a problem.
I do suggest you contact the ACT Greens and make them aware of your experience, here are the details.

The ACT Greens
GPO Box 2019
Canberra ACT 2601
Ph: (02) 6247 6305
Fax: (02) 6247 6455
act@greens.org.au
act.greens.org.au

thanks paul...
but mate this was ten years ago[or more]
i was conned into signing an auto withdrawel deduction from my bank
[but had decided them 'a worthy cause']

i happend accross a meting just outside of canberra
of hundreds..thus clearly not 'a local'...meeting
[i attended one in nimbin..8 greenies in the drug capital]

the local one was simply a mattrer of wandering in
the canberra one..was for the masters...to get their orders

i know that sounds 'strong'..but mate i know what happend..and what didnt..[now im over all of em]

i put issues up
hoping they get fixed
but somehow..no matter when..i try to get into the master metying [where it matters]..that just aint going to happen

ditto alp/hemp party..[for sure]
lib is highly likely

but as i say
im over it..the lot of it
i support people..NOT PARTY*
party loyalty is treazion..to the people

im over parties
[but not party patzies][wink]

i love that you and shadows/belly etc can still feel anything for what

a party

others histry
sure beinmg sustainable is great
but global warming is fraud

recycle...is the same as throwing a thing away
re-use..reuse reuse..thats logical
the longer you can re-use a thing/consumable..the more gren it may claim to be

but the best efforts of thousands
can be thwarted by a cup handle

and thats the party line