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Well Hasbeen, me old mate, why don’t you answer this question regarding one of your favourite subjects that I’ve asked of you a number of times:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=13433#232086

or respond to this post:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=13443#232149

I’ll give you a right royal run for your money that’ll be guaranteed to get your blood flowing and cure your boredom. Or perhaps you know this all too well and prefer to bail out of threads when Lud starts asking the curly questions!

You’re an enigma. You like stirring, but you don’t like being stirred!! ( :>|

Regarding female leaders; I can’t see any significant difference in the different party’s fortunes related to them having male or female leaders.

Haz, I think your perceived general poor performance from women is not real and is only coincidental. There are lots of poor male leaders in our recent political history. In fact, there are scant few commendable ones.

Indeed, I wonder whether you could think of a single leader in the past ~30 years that has been any good in your opinion?

Ludwig,

I get your point, the poor performance of Bligh, Gillard and Keneally are not because they are women, but rather because they are Labor?

OK Ludwig, I think it was very novel, giving Anna's old man the opportunity to work at tearing apart the dreadful waste of tax payers money he had been busy building, under the now RIP Labor off party.

On the warming mate, it is all a lefty rip off today. Some of the twits may have believed it, at the start, but now only believe they MUST be right. So far they have proved just one thing. They have to cheat, lie, "correct" data, ignore & in fact try to suppress data, to keep the thing going.

You shouldn't be above jumping on this cr4p just because it tends to support your fixation on population.

Just in passing, I'm right with you on population, & immigration. Just because there are too many people in the world is no reason to overpopulate Oz.

On the lady thing, it was perhaps a little tongue in check, but only a little. Too many of them don't have enough math & far too little science to understand how they are being conned. Too much empathy is worse than none at all in leaders.

If you need more convincing, just think Clover Moore.

The reason is obvious - whenever the men stuff it up, a woman gets appointed to try and pick up the pieces and, eventually to take the blame. Kirner, Bligh, Kenneally, Gillard. It's interesting to see that this mainly (only?) happens on the Labor side. Labor men tend to walk away (eg Beattie) and let the women steer the ship onto the rocks, while Liberal men go down with the ship (Howard). Rudd is an interesting exception, perhaps he was removed because it appeared that he wanted to emulate the Liberals by going down with the ship. The Demos match Labor to some extent, by appointing women as leaders when things are already going downhill (to mix my metaphors).

<< the poor performance of Bligh, Gillard and Keneally are not because they are women, but rather because they are Labor? >>

No Shadow Minister.

The Libs and Labs are two peas in a pod. They’re essentially no different.

Their leaders have all been reasonably intelligent competent people Let’s face it; they’d have to be to get to be leader In the first place. (Well, except for one K Rudd perhaps!). And then they ALL meet the same fate – condemnation for poor performance!

It is their addiction to big donations and the consequent pandering to the wishes of the vested-interest profit-driven big business sector, plus their innate stupid addiction to rapid continuous growth that has stifled their success.

No leader will win the support of the Australian people until this changes. When one of the major parties adopts a genuine sustainability platform, or when some new political entity comes along with this doctrine and threatens to displace them if they don’t embrace sustainability, then we might see a leader emerge who can win the hearts and minds of the majority and actually start to dig Australia out of the enormous hole that antisustainability-oriented Liberal and Labor governments have dug over the last few decades.

There is actually a glimmer of hope of this happening now that Bob Carr is in the ministry.

Sorry Ludwig, I can't agree with much of that. There is a large difference. Labor is for big government, as big as possible, & the libs are the opposite. The ladies have been worse, when in power than most of the men, because they look at every thing through the prism of motherhood, which converts everything to rainbow colours.

Leaders in my experience are the worst people. Usually better at calling in favours, & conning the naive. Hell, just look at the two closest to us. Gillard a cunning shonk, & Obama an orator, with no idea of what he is saying, or should be saying.

Go back a bit, & we get Hitler Churchill, & Starlin. Orators with out a brain between them. Great leaders if you wanted to get killed. We only won because more of our generals were prepared to sit on Churchill's head more often.

I do think that any "leader" who got up & shouted, stop immigration, would win in a land slide, but I doubt it could happen.

Academia would scream about the "greedy" policy, & the bureaucrats would have no idea of how to do it.

But don't worry, the next war will get most of us, & if we are really smart, we could join the Swiss, avoid damage, & proffitt out of everyone.