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Hasbeen,
Churchill, Hitler and Stalin were three of the most intelligent men on the planet at the time, you can also throw in Tojo, Roosevelt, Mao, Nehru, Petain, Curtin......you're essentially accusing them of being demagogues, which is unjust and inaccurate,
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 2:58:42 PM
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Dear Jay,

Hitler and Stalin both despised and mistrusted democracies.
Both were accomplished killers, both created panic and
chaos throughout Europe. Each produced millions of
refugees and homeless. Each built cocentration camps in
which millions of innocent victims perished. Both were
dictators using the same methods to deal with their
domestic opposition - terror. Both escaped retribution,
dying, without having been brought to justice.
Posted by Lexi, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 7:22:06 PM
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Lexi,
So did Nehru, Churchill, Truman, Mao, Tojo...what's your point? Auschwitz, Gulag, Dresden, The Rape of Nanking, Partition of India, Hiroshima/Nagasaki all sit within the same context, you can't pick and choose elements of 20th century history according to your bias.
Adolf Hitler was a messianic figure, like Napoleon or Juilus Caesar, he was not stupid, he was not "evil" and he was not a demagogue, he was universally described by those who met him genuinely brave, clever, heroic, polite to the point of self effacement, talented and genial, I challenge you to prove otherwise.
Napoleon Bonaparte held strong Racialist views and especially hated Blacks, Julius Caesar killed a million Gauls and took another million as slaves in the Gallic wars, this is the nature of the "man of action".
Stalin on the other hand actually was a criminal, a false hero, a drunk, a liar and a genuine monster but he wasn't stupid or incompetent either.

The assertion by Hasbeen that those figures were demagogues is false, MLK was a demagogue, so is Obama, ditto Pauline Hanson, Geert Wilders, Avigdor Libermann, Aun Sung Suu Kyii, Bob Brown, Ehud Barak, Ron Paul....rabble rousers, populists, telling people what they want to hear rather than the truth.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 8:54:01 PM
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Dear Jay,

The memories of those who perished at the hands of
the two evil tyrants Hitler and Stalin will be not
be revered by your mocking and inaccurate posts.
I have no further wish to continue interacting
with you.
Posted by Lexi, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 9:08:02 PM
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Might I add that the above discussion is going some way to explaining the original points about the failure of feminised Western political castes.
A Napoleon, Hitler or Mao or even a Putin or Abbott is utterly irresistible to what we might call red blooded men and women, real adults, the feminised Western elite can only keep papering over the cracks for so long.
Throw Third world migration into the mix and the blood gets redder, the adults more receptive to the man of action, the heroic leader and the more futile the efforts of the elite.
Tony Abbott is no Vladimir Putin and Putin is no Peter The Great but cometh the time, cometh the man, this is the cyclical nature of history, there is no such thing as progress, only rise and fall, invention and re-invention.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 9:12:50 PM
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Lexi,
As above and so to you, I know you don't like my posts but they're not inaccurate, read Charles Lindbergh's impressions of Nazi Germany, the finest of "our people" routinely describe that society as the best in Europe albeit one in which they would not have cared to reside.
The memories of the Iraqi, Afghan and Pakistani civilians slaughtered in the name both of Democracy and women's rights are not respected by your position and by the stance of egalitarian minded people who talk but don't put their lives on the line.
This also raises the other disturbing feature of feminised Western politics, the fact that our young men are being sent by feminists to kill Afghan men in the name of women's rights.
Sorry Lexi but the jig is up on "human rights and democracy", the butcher's bill of totalitarian Liberal Humanism and universal human rights is too great for real men and women, thsoe with a conscience and a sense of morality and fair play to bear.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 9:25:07 PM
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