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Posted by individual, Saturday, 31 March 2012 10:40:52 AM
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The interment of the Unknown Soldier 1993
The Unknown Australian Soldier whom we are interring today was one of those who, by his deeds, proved that real nobility and grandeur belongs, not to empires and nations, but to the people on whom they, in the last resort, always depend. That is surely at the heart of the Anzac story, the Australian legend which emerged from the war. It is a legend not of sweeping military victories so much as triumphs against the odds, of courage and ingenuity in adversity. It is a legend of free and independent spirits whose discipline derived less from military formalities and customs than from the bonds of mateship and the demands of necessity. It is a democratic tradition, the tradition in which Australians have gone to war ever since. This Unknown Australian is not interred here to glorify war over peace; or to assert a soldier’s character above a civilian’s; or one race or one nation or one religion above another; or men above women; or the war in which he fought and died above any other war; or one generation above any that has been or will come later. The Unknown Soldier honours the memory of all those men and women who laid down their lives for Australia. His tomb is a reminder of what we have lost in war and what we have gained. We have lost more than 100,000 lives, and with them all their love of this country and all their hope and energy. We have gained a legend: a story of bravery and sacrifice and, with it, a deeper faith in ourselves and our democracy, and a deeper understanding of what it means to be Australian. It is not too much to hope, therefore, that this Unknown Australian Soldier might continue to serve his country - he might enshrine a nation’s love of peace and remind us that, in the sacrifice of the men and women whose names are recorded here, there is faith enough for all of us. The Hon. P. J. Keating MP Prime Minister of Australia Posted by csteele, Saturday, 31 March 2012 12:12:14 PM
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Oug,
You said,"we agggressed/trangressed AGAINST THEM" You should catch up on your history of WW1 and WW2. Europe was invaded and there was a couple of things that prevented Aus from being invaded in WW2. Firstly the Chinese kept about a million enemy troops busy in china and the battle of the coral sea stopped the enemy from setting foot on our soil. You, of course, can put whatever spin you like on it, but I have the greatest admiration for the courage of our service personel and the tribulations and sacrifices they made for us. That is what I honour on Anzac Day. How many died fighting and as slaves in Europe and how many of ours died on the Burma railway and other places? Lest we forget Posted by Banjo, Saturday, 31 March 2012 1:53:36 PM
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lest we forget indeed banjo
war reparations/the keiser/bolcvhovics depressions santions..and so much more forced japan/getmany...into war its not as simple as history likes to teach us you should listen to todays big idea http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/ http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/browse/video_popup.htm?vidURL=/tv/bigideas/stories/2012/03/26/3461236-mediarss-full.xml&vidTitle=Paul Ham and Kim Barker: Collateral Damage&vidLength=Full revealing how govt went after citi-zen-ry..[as a matter of policy] half a million japs..in a few last months..[lol leaving military tragets alone]... as a matter of 'the goodguys'..policy* ""Collateral damage..that chilling euphemism for civilian casualties in any warzone,..anywhere in the world. Taking part in this discussion is Paul Ham historian and journalist, who wrote a brilliant book on Vietnam and whose latest work is Hiroshima Nagasaki. He’s joined on stage by former foreign correspondent for the Chicago Tribune, Kim Barker, who’s filed from the warzones of Iraq and Afghanistan. Her recent book The Taliban Shuffle is a personal account of her time in Pakistan and Afghanistan. This is a discussion about military strategies from World War 2 through to our most recent conflicts in Afghanistan and the deliberately planned or unplanned civilian casualties. Paul Ham is especially good in his areas of expertise, on Vietnam and the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the Second World War, about the deliberate killing of huge numbers..*of civilians..*to devastate the enemy. Both Barker and Ham are even handed in their analysies all sides in all conflicts..engage in these strategies.!*!I! Defence Correspondent..for the West Australian newspaper, Joseph Catanzaro, moderates this session.""" no comment/yet http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2012/03/26/3461236.htm Posted by one under god, Saturday, 31 March 2012 2:36:23 PM
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That post csteele is in the true spirit of ANZAC DAY.
A day of remembrance and a time to do honor to others. A time too, to remember the horrors of war. OUG, sorry, but in one line of your posts above you said you did not have a clue. I agree, the word game you play makes reading some thing like swimming in treacle. Posted by Belly, Saturday, 31 March 2012 2:36:31 PM
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context is everything belly
''OUG, sorry,..but in one line of your posts above...you said you did not have a clue.'' cant find it its in case you cant find things that i quote them [quote] I agree, the word game you play makes reading some thing like swimming in treacle. [/quote] the last was near a full quote didnt note the swimming in treakle thing..[who said that] but suggest..that might be..artistic/licence never the less it holds a semblance of truth but i will refuse to admit to that i will admit..i hate war mongering whatever its reasoning.. and if a parade..aint clapping 'the good guys' that killed others..in their own lands..[ie killers] then just what is it..'just war''[no such beast!] all war is murder all who war..monger..are tared by the same guilt blame shame proest all you like but a good man dont kill..[no one] the only who came out with honour..are the consientious objectors who when called..to murder brothers refused 'orders'..to learn the art of murder..in war only the strong resisted the weak killed..of fear they be killed you recall that highlight of the war when peace came at xmass...that was a brief bit of sanity war is insane warmongering is a sickness gloryfying war...that takes gullability plus just a tinge of racist overtone.. or fanatic loyalism..[national pride] to go in-to..*others homes..to kill Posted by one under god, Saturday, 31 March 2012 3:18:50 PM
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We must exercise foresight & caution before we open the door sufficiently for some undesirable to get their foot in. In any case innocents will cop the brunt.
We must not ridicule or dismiss ANZAC Day. Those who do should spend time in Somalia or Afghanistan or live in a religion dominated country.
It's a poor attitude to bite the hand that feeds you & keeps you alive in comfort.
ANZAC DAY is extremely relevant.