Mr Rudd has cooked his goose. A first class world traveller to the back bench, where he can Yell abuse just like the noalition decipels.

579, firstly, you have no right to accuse me of not wanting a female as our leader.

Just to show how out of touch the faceless men are within labor, if a ballot were held by the general public, Rudd would flog Gilard hands down.

It's just that labor don't govern for the better of the people, rather, they prefer to sit in the background, pulling the strigs of their puppets.

I also suspect that this ballot may have dire consequences, such as, the likes of Doug Cameron, who has little faith in GJ and if Rudd challenges, and fails, Cameron and co may well pull the pin.

Either way, we may end up getting what we deserve, which is the most sensible solution of all, AN ELECTION.

Now as for my sparing partner, Belly, well his standard opinion of me is that I am il informed.

Was I il informed when I predicted Julia would have Rudds job?

Or, when I predicted the new IR laws would slash confidence?

Or, that the alcohol pop tax would not stop binge drinking?

Or, that the Copenhargen summit would be a dud?

Do I have to go on.

Il informed, you're joking!

Perhaps it you Belly who should take the blinkers off and look around at what is actually going on out there, not in unionized labor land, but in real, on the ground life.

579 good to see you are an ALP supporter.
But your depth of understanding is shallow, do not consider swimming its not that deep.
Rudd has by his actions got rid of Gillard.
The only place she has the numbers is in Labor Caucus.
And a victory to her will only be putting her end off for a while.
Shorten will be pushed to do this, even parliamentary Janitor may.
Gillards polling, out side Caucus by Monday will be at its lowest ever.
And never again will it rise.
Monday nine am caucus votes in self interest or in the interests of the party, I watch with interest

My understanding as a voter is. We are in excellent shape as a nation.
Our economy is great. Many changes have taken place all for the better.
No matter who is head of the labor party, we are doing fine.
No coalition voter would see that, they would vote for a party without policy.
I do not think Abbott would make a statesman's backside, in fact i think he would be dangerous. I do not agree with his religious or his ambition to create Australia's 1%
Maybe it may be best for labor to let abbott have the parliament, without policy, that would surely put pressure on the G

Sorry but my dreams too often turned to mud.
Bought about by thinking Joe and Jane average votes based on other than quick and not deep wishes.
Labor,at best with Rudd can only save some seats.
Under Gillard? 579 she would not win a raffle.
Labor should sack Gillard, she, closely linked to Crean the Cretin no doubt , undermined herself to try to manipulate folk like you.
Only the best must serve.
Gillard should serve the tea and bickies then get out as soon as she can.

Hmmm .. from PM -> to -> FM -> to the back bench.

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Maybe better to sp!t the dummy, resign and force a bi-election if it comes to it.

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Q: *KruddCoNon* what is best in life?

A: Crush your enemies, drive them before you, and hear the lamentation of the Red Headed woman!

;-)