SM obviously some Labor party supporters think that Labor will be like that in opposition given how bothered they are by the Coalition not being supportive of ALP policy. Calling them the noalition etc.

They must have been horrified by the negative campaign that Labor and the Unions ran against Work Choices, the continued attacks on GST, continued specualtion on Howard retiring and handing over to Costello etc during the Howard era and clearly expect better from their side now.

R0bert

Sounds like we need Alan Austin back here to give you a run down, again.
You must play with what you have and we have Julia, and the worlds best treasurer. Abbott is again sprouting negativity today. He can't talk economy, why doesn't he pick some bad points about the economy, nothing to pick about i suppose.
The most important topic is when Julia's speech was written, that is real good stuff, just what everyone wants to know.
You are just going to suffer a while longer, before there's an election, and another hung parliament,

Why do you have to be a leftie to think Turnbull would make a good leader.
He has his head screwed on, a republican, the noalition would be best advised to the fact he would be a far better leader for them. He has economic skills that is lacking from the 3 stoogers of the noalition. With Hockey's black hole of 70 billion $ the noalition needs reform urgently, and this in Australia's interest to have an influential opposition.
You can't go to an election with a bunch of hasbeen's, trained by mr Howard. They are that far to the right, they are blinded, by their top end of town supporters, and dangerous. As we have experienced in the past, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. and this makes them dangerous.

Shadow Minister, RObert I am not stirring, trying to be honest.
You may not agree, but work choices was as bad as Labor said it was.
It turned conservatives to vote Labor.
It, not Rudd, beat John Howard.
People, forcibly signed agreements taking sick leave and penalty rates away, for FIVE YEARS.
DENY IF YOU WILL, BUT I target Labor often.
ABBOTT, leads the most negative team in my lifetime.
Except SM my slings at Labor, but review your inability to focus on the lost nature of Tony Abbott.
Why would they want Rudd back? anyone but Gillard is my answer
Turnbull? any one, please any one, but Abbott, give this country a break!
two unworthy leaders of two party's afraid to say we got that wrong.

Belly I was having a go at those who continue to bleat about Abbott being negative as though Labor oppositions have somehow been noted for their support of Coalition policy when the coalition is in government. At those who think any opposition is in the habit of giving detailed and costed policy well before an election.

A massive case of spin to focus on negativity given Labors past behaviour. There was plenty about Work Choices that was good for a lot of employee's as well, stuff that may not have suited the unions.

I know that you see some of the problems and are not one of the dedicated Labor spin merchants.

R0bert

Yesterday, today, tomorrow we will still be talking about Gillards preparation to unseat Kevin Rudd.
We will be talking of her, in ignorance? or with intent? miss informing us about Australia Day, the decent in to madness her staff member and a woman trade unionist from the lower end of the gene pool.
The sight of that Lady, The Representative of the tent Embassy, her uninformed RANT our deputy Prime Minister?
Do not let her off the hook, she like the unionist woman, did not even know Abbott's position!did not know what he said!or that he is not deputy prime minister!
Thread let me have my say, I under stand a Liberal asking it, GY sees him self as Liberal not conservative.
Increasingly I LABOR for life am concerned under Gillard, thousands including me, may be driven by GUTLESS INACTION, to vote informal.
This woman her supporters, must take responsibility for that.