we have bribed them for their jobs
and for their favour

but we dont need aluminium no more
sure its great for blasting shuttles into space
and window frames...and for diabetus soft drink cans
and underarm perspirment prevention...but its a sickly metal

costing us the earth
old refining...but its power days is gone
heck they even had so sell the pink panther rights
let them stop making aluminim buggy whips...at huge subsidy by state

its dead or dying
rip

You all have to realise that Politics is like World Championship Wrestling.It is all a big game of deceiving the masses while the few, profit from our confusion.

As Gerald Celente says,both parties of the left and right buddy up for a drink and make deals behind closed doors,while we argue about the bait non issues of religion,race ,social/economic status,which they feed us.

Gday GY back again, and not hiding on this one.
Kevin 07 took an election from a man desperate to give it away.
While many will not agree, as unpopular as he was Howard's Work Choices, only lost him the election.
Without that he would,still be Prime Minister.
Navel gazing, if asked to say what I truly think, my party, the ALP, was not ready to govern.
We have grown in office, but the taint of Latham/Crean still haunts us.
Gillard and Fitzgibbon, along with Crean still travel a road not wanted by the party.
So why Rudd?
About 10% of voters vote for appearance and personality.
And while Gillard is improving, not enough, she brings at least 25%who never ever will vote for her.
Against opinions of many here I still think we will see both ex leaders lead again.
We should remember John Howard once said his return was not possible.
And that ,in my view, both current leaders are disliked by most.

Yes I agree with you Belly.

You know this up coming election will be very rare as it will be an election that is actually won, as opposed to most recent ones where by they have been lost.

As for work choices,, not that I want to fire up the debate, but I just wonder how those who had jobs, then lost them once the new IR laws came in, now feel about WC.

Rechtub, this much is true.
If Australia was not so divided by dislike of both Gillard and Abbott, both are disliked.
I truly think, we would never have seen either in leadership rolls.
If not Rudd who?
For me, first and only,even in front of Rudd Shorten.
He has not yet got the public numbers.
Who in conservative ranks if not Abbott?
If not for global warming Turnbull, surely.
Hockey once came to my mind, he never ever should get a run.
Pyne? lucky to be a Minister.
Like Labor, invisible great talent is in Liberal ranks in the house now.
I think they, too on both sides, are on stand by while wrong people rule/control the Parliament.
WC Rechtub, its end, was needed, I doubt IR reform will ever not be needed.
Or that what replaced WC is perfect.
It should constantly be reviewed and re crafted.
But I offer this as evidence, most true conservatives Liberals,never want to bring it back.
Reform yes, but class warfare? WC was not replaced by a system that cost jobs, job loss is and always will be, subject to many influences.
Australian Dollar has cost more than the GFC.
We however must, just must, remember our economy under Labor and Liberal owes much to freeing up the banks and markets.
If we turn that around, interfere with our dollar we go to places that will hurt us all.

News polls have got to be stacked. Mr Abbott is said to be a better economic manager than Julia. How would anyone know that Abbott would be a better economic manager. It's a stacked participation. Abbott would sack 10,000 public service jobs for a start. As the coalition in vic; are in the process of doing, and at the same time talking to Alcoa.