Thinker 2 with nothing but respect may I?
In fact my well respected poster I MUST.
I see in your post every thing that drives me insane about shadow minister.
A remoteness from truth on this subject
First many Australians have long ago ,wanted the tent Embassy removed.
Its early days served a purpose, it degenerated.
Abbott was said to have said he wanted it removed, a STUPID UNION OFFICIAL, fed by AN IDIOT staffer, used these folk, in an effort to hurt Abbott.
They LIED! he did not even go close to saying ANYTHING OFFENSIVE!
As WELL AS HALF WITTED UNION/LABOR STAFFERS, THOSE FOLK HAVE BEEN SHOWCASED AS BEING USED BY A HANDFUL OF radical worthless activists!
the alp NEEDS NO BLANKET OF LIES IT IS DOING WELL.
Yesterday my country suffered, to think our two party leaders had to suffer this?
could have been killed, yes true.
Consider this,IF those protesters had come from one religion we would be involved in a debate that would scream for blood.
No way out a criminal act has taken place let the law take its course.

Bonmot,

My limited understanding is that in Tasmania, roughly as many Indigenous people as whites were killed, over the period from 1804 to 1835, around a hundred or each. Windschuttle of course is the authority in this area: check out his definitive work.

Of course you will .....

Of course there were battles, all over the country. But whether unprovoked massacres occurred has to be verified in some way, in each case. Surely this is the proper procedure, regardless of our preferences and wishes ? Although I'm not sure why anybody would 'wish' for massacres.

Major battles took place in SA on the Murray, in 1842 or so, after a party of overlanders were ambushed, half a dozen drovers and bullockies killed, and 600 cattle taken off into the bush. Troopers from Adelaide took the best part of a year to bring the situation to a conclusion, with two battles on either side of Lake Bonney, in which many Aboriginal men were killed. Of course, there weren't many cattle left by then. The warriors, on one side of the river, used to taunt the troopers, on the other side (this was still the days of muzzle-loading rifles, inaccurate and slow), switching sides when the troopers did.

But if you want to call that a massacre, go for it. Thanks for that Wikipedia list of battles, by the way. There must be tons of physical evidence of such battles, and even of massacres, if forensic or archaeological experts were able to study these sites thoroughly.

But it's a lot easier to just believe, not to worry too much about proof: proof is so 'modernist'.

Cheers,

Joe

bellie quote..""First many Australians
have long ago..,wanted the tent Embassy removed.""

please be more acurate
some australians...[like matilda house...made to feel important
through both parties reign/mundane..the list goes on

but mate timming is everything...its important not only who
but when..they are asked./..[its usually after the media finds something it wants to jump on,,[something contriversial..[lol]..like burning a rag

""Its early days..served a purpose,
it degenerated."'..say you and yer cocconuts

how come if it served its purpose
one in 5 kids die before reaching the age of 5

how come the average life expectancy for males is 33 yo
and for femails..its a bit higher..

largly i talked to the widows..of the founders who died...
[and who is keeping hubbies name alive..along with the parental culture]

""Abbott was said to have said""

by juliars spin merchant..said
to angry people..at the tent embassy
his versioon of ta..words..PLUS TOLD THEM QWHERE HE NOW WAS

it was all a set up
soo organised..planned to occure
asfter ta was set up

"" a STUPID UNION OFFICIAL,..fed by AN IDIOT staffer,
used these folk,..in an effort to hurt Abbott.""

yep clever stuff
headline grabbing[if only we can photo
a girl in disstress,getting groped by her security]
running for her life...[that would begin the year great mate

""They LIED!""

mate it went to the media
poor juliar..attacked by the abo
abboty set on em[win win]

""No way out
a criminal act..has taken place
let the law...take its course.""

and let the first people try..to heal thyself
i rekon we replicate the roaring 20's...

set up many small business
[early business models]

..hairdressers..gardeners..dog groomers..mortitions..fireman/welders/brickies..
bridge builders..plumbers..jobs jobs jobs

run the training course..
and all..*in the course..own a share
[of the infastructure...with the best working
and owning all the busines proffits][maybe buy back shares in time

Thanks for that Joe.

At the end of the day, perhaps colonisation of Australia was just 'war' - where one side (the 'white tribes from the north') were far more 'superior' than those invaded?

To the 'victors' go the spoils, to the vanquished - tuff titties.

At the end of the day, something is not 'right' :(

As to Windschuttle, I won't be checking out his "definitive work" (have much more on my plate) but the following wiki is a good synopsis on the 'wars', both past and present :((

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_wars

I'm glad New Zealand took a different way forward.

cheers

Dear bonmot,

Please check out the following link.
It explains the case of Windschuttle and his
book - which by the way has been totally
discredited:

http://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/F/Fabrication.htm

Lexi,

In one page ? I don't think so. Robert Manne ? I don't think so.

Usually rebuttal takes up a lot more space than the original assertions. Certainly with Windschuttle's documentation.

Bonmot,

I have been dedicated to the Indigenous cause, at least to my own version of it, for nearly fifty years. My wife was Indigenous, my kids are Indigenous. I don't delight in finding fault and in realising that, in the face of so many scams and rip-offs, one has to ask for evidence of assertions. I want to believe. But I've been caught out believing just a few times too many and I'm too bloody old to let it continue. I've seen too many careers destroyed on the rocks of ambition of too many Indigenous alphas. And utterly incompetent b@stards at that.

If you assert, then you must prove. No, it was not a matter of war, and of spoils going to the victors, tuff titties. No, the realities have been far, far more complex than that. It takes a life-time to realise that, and to realise that one's gut-feelings are worthless in the long run, without evidence. But I suspect that most whites who suck up to the Cause keep well away from people's actual daily and private lives, from evidence and from ever delving into the actual historical record. It's safer that way, isn't it ?

Cheers,

Joe