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Every Australia Day, it just gets worse.

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Dear Joe (Loudmouth),

The search for facts is part and parcel of my
professional training. It's what I do as
a librarian. Also I was taught by my father at
a very early age to question everything.
Fantasy has its place - however in my job I
wouldn't still be employed if all I could do is
fatasize.

Thanks for your concern however,
I know you mean well.
Posted by Lexi, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 6:43:49 PM
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While there are rorts in Indigenous funding as some allude, there are also rorts in many non-Indigenous government funded organisations but without the tired old generalisations. It seems if you are an Aboriginal or a Muslim you share the burden of your fellow ethnic wrongdoer but if you are white the wrongdoer is an aberration of the norm.

It is really simple. What is wrong with the idea of changing the date of Australia Day that is more inclusive of Aboriginal Australians and does not celebrate the invasion of the Europeans.

New Zealand was much better at including Maoris into the fabric of life including signs in both English and Maori on public buildings probably due to differences between Maori and Aboriginal culture as much as anything else.

Maybe the date of the Apology might be a good start with nothing to lose and only something to gain.
Posted by pelican, Thursday, 2 February 2012 2:42:19 PM
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Pelican

I suggest you look at crime statistics, speak to people who live in areas where aboriginal live and check out the imprisonment rates and you might discover a different code of ethics among aboriginals and muslims to that of the general population. Unfortunately these are generalisations but ones that are true. You can bury your head and be part of the problem for another 50 years like most of the aboriginal industry if you like but you are doing no favours to anyone. A good start would be the WA Police Commissioner who out of concern and frusgtration has started to leak the truth.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 2 February 2012 3:00:17 PM
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The same WA authorities that bought us the "shoot the sharks solution" no doubt Runner. How reactionary can you get. Gee they are a model for us all aren't they?.

No greater example of prejudice will you see than your own proposition suggests Runner. Shamelessly, you use the term "codes of ethics", when you infer lack of ethics. Even a criminal lack of ethics that you attribute to race or creed.

Thank for your very kind remark Lexi. It's obvious that librarians, as keepers of the facts, would be trained in knowing where they facts can be found. It's their job isn't it ?.

And Pelican you make a excellent point ,

* While there are rorts in Indigenous funding as some allude, there are also rorts in many non-Indigenous government funded organisations but without the tired old generalisations. It seems if you are an Aboriginal or a Muslim you share the burden of your fellow ethnic wrongdoer but if you are white the wrongdoer is an aberration of the norm.*

Runners view supports a prejudicial assumption, as central to his argument.

It is not rational, and is made of the same stuff as requiring science (for example) to consider the existence of God as a given (without any evidence of such), before framing the basis of their research. You cant start experiments with a prerequisite prejudicial assumption because you would never arrive at the correct conclusions.

I placed this post because I am concerned that core racism has strengthened in our country of late. It is now at unhealthy levels, particularly in our youth.

Delivering negativity towards ethnic and religious groups was a political tactic of the Howard Govt. This is all, that some of our citizens have ever known.

Before Howard we were making progress in these area's, with reconciliations and land rights, and lately apologies, and we were observers of International Refugee Conventions etc.

cont...
Posted by thinker 2, Thursday, 2 February 2012 6:58:35 PM
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cont...

Today we are told by our political leaders that we need to "turn back the boats". The minute we do, we will seen as international pariahs and hillbillies , as if we aren't already. Our own armed forces are dead against the idea, for their own ethical and operational reasons.

And yet we still hear our politicians making mountains out of molehills about the magnitude of the problem, for political capital, encouraging base ill feeling towards some ethnic groups or religions and exacerbating the core problem. Howard understood "the underlying racism that most people will feel if given the right stimulus". And used it.

The method used by racists to support their case is to draw attention to individual instances, as testimony to their bona-fides, and then they generalise.

In the end, racism is just an emotion, it's not a rationale.
Posted by thinker 2, Thursday, 2 February 2012 7:14:42 PM
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Joe,
Acording to wikipedia, 86% of aboriginies live in urban areas and therefore are subject to the same advantages and disadvantages as any others that live in the same places. This then raises the question as to why should this particular group receive any more government assistance or recognition than anyone else.

It is time we eliminated any reference to any race in the constitution and we are all classed as one, no exceptions.

Maybe we could give assistance to those people living in remote areas, again irrespective of race or creed.

You should be aware that Lexi has used New Matilda as a reference for facts, so that should be considered.

I see the National Indigenous Times has now reported that many from the PMs office were aware of the inciting of the protest at the Lobby restrauant on Australia Day. They even say the knowledge was even as high as the PM. I wonder if Lexi has the same faith in the NIT as she does in the NM. I have no knowledge of the credibility of NIT.

In a pic with the story it showed a number of flags carried by protestors that appeared to be Cuban, I wonder why that is? Why would australian aborigines carry Cuban flags? The next Day they set fire to an Aussie flag, so if they are so contemptous of Australia, should they be entitled to special benefits?
Posted by Banjo, Thursday, 2 February 2012 7:53:37 PM
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