I really like the article, posted on online opinion, by David ebb and Melissa Raven http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=10267.
In this article these academics bring to our attention to the fact that the influential ideas of Professor McGorry are problematic. Such ideas are also part of an attempt to push and promote the medicalisation of mental health.

Unfortunately, for those who know how dangerous anti psychotic and anti depressant drugs are, and how they work, McGorry ideas are not short of dangerous. For our young people, medication can cause a lot of severe physical illnesses and can sometime lead to worsening of their mental condition, rather than reduce it. Therapy is always the preferred intervention and in my experience, in contact with many sufferers each day, wherever social and psychological conditions are favorable, the sufferers will often improve without need of medication.

Basically, anti psychotic drugs work by disrupting usual chemical and electrical functions of the brain so that the sufferer experiences things differently which can sometimes buy enough time, when combined with therapy, to improve one's mental health. This is only a temporary fix and medication does not work well in the long run for it is not meant to be a long term treatment at least not to the extent that we are seeing today. However, such drugs are extremely dangerous and toxic especially for our young people.

I am new to this forum but I would like some feedback on this . Thanks

I am sorry, I have misspelled David Webb's surname. It is Webb not ebb.

As the father of a daughter who is being medicated and otherwise being subjected to intrusive interventions for what seems to me to be no more than normal adolescent emotional instability, all of which is beyond my capacity to influence, or even to be kept informed about, I have to concur that there seems to be a prima facie case of over-prescription and over-servicing generally.

welcome..[i hesitate to say you came to the right place]
but heck its allways good to see a new face
and face new thought

i tried to raise other issues..a few times
[re adverse reaction to perscribed drugs]

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4914&page=0

demonstrating i hope..that those one in four
that geneticly are susseptable to cancer[are the only ones that can get it..the rest simply cant..

i recall i first heard the facts[of 2 in 100 dopesmokers
will claim the cause of a phycotic episode..to be cannabis
then i found out in the 'normal non smoking population'..its 4/100

so i dont trust statistics

i know one of the things that sends me nutts
is the ill-logic..of the haters that quote statisical ommision
[avoiding one set of data..to quote their preferd data set]

like one in 100 hospital admissions is for adverse reraction,..to perscribed meds[one in ten results in death]

but am unable to find drink related deaths
that spike on friday/sat night

there is also the statistical game..
re cancers..and smoking...[the rates of caners..for smokers and non smokers is the same[so clearly smoking isnt a facter]

yet all deaths of smoking RELATED
all go to the quoted snmoker death numbers

anyhow
welcome

hope you attract others
to solutions...for the true problems
not the spin of the nanny state..looking for new tax income

or jobs for the 'boys'
like the..bloated qld health beurocrazey

Dear Antiseptic and one under god, thank you for your comments. I tend to agree with what you say about your daughter Antiseptic. Very interesting. Thank you for your warm welcome.

Alfredo welcome and thanks for an interesting thread.
About 14 months ago I told of three teenagers injured one near death after a needless car wreck.
The near death one, a first time traveler in that car, on the night he met the driver nearly died.
Mentally well he will suffer poor health for his remaining life.
He , trying to fit in, with his mates took drugs, just weed, but far too much of it.
He was institutionalized, and only the drugs you, and anti fear put him back on track.
He has been very lucky and, thankfully knows it, he will not use drugs again, but life will be tough at times.

Drugging people is the inevitable result of the belief that everything is material, that there is no spirit or a spiritual meaning to anything.

Without the understanding that we are not our bodies and not our brains, it is a convenient cop-out for the politically-correct-movement to claim that we are not responsible for our actions but rather some chemicals in our brains.

The most common mental condition, is guilt. The remedy is to avoid doing what we would feel guilty about or failing to do what we feel that we ought. Trying to work around it in a chemical way instead of doing our best to mend our ways, is bound to fail in the long term.

Dear Belly,

thank you for your comment. Yes Marijuana can be a very potent drug and it has a powerful effect on the brain. In some case it can lead to the development of schizophrenia and psychosis especially if used frequently and in high quantities. Your friend is very lucky.

Reminds me of about 1982 in Cairns when my friend's daughter was behaving all irrationally & the local professional mental health club crowded her hospital room. I stood back & somewhat harshly said to her "M........" stop putting on this act. You should have seen the glances at me. How insensitive, how dare..., you're not an expert etc. I replied that I know her & I can tell she was just putting on an act. Well, I had to leave the ward. Three days later she admitted that my blunt approach had taken her aback & she admitted she was only carrying on because her boyfriend broke up with her. Naturally she had received successful treatment at the hands of the mental health experts. At least that's what her mother was told.

Marijuana can be a very potent drug and it has a powerful effect on the brain.
alfredo,
Correct. The question here is how negative or positive dope is. I'm sure if it were to make the user co-operative & increased their functionality it would be a good drug but it isn't that way is it ? I like my beer but I don't get hangovers. I give you one guess why.

interstuing ya need to go back 14 months
to quote your only cannabis death tale

heck ya just need to go back a few days
to recall booze and speed related..accidental deaths
staticicly..percribed meds kill the most..[plus have the most adverse reactions]

booze leads the medical/death toll..
and lets not forget other dangers
and can even cause..many cancers

kids can admit
to smoking drugs
[cause the test's..reveal it..for over 30 days]..

but speed/booze/pill..used
can often disappear..overnight
and no kid is going to admit OTHER drugs
when the tradjics..love hearing about doper bias

cannabis has never caused a death...in use or abuse
yes 2 in 100 could go nuts..but death is better?

you would rather have a dead drunk kid
than a living nutter?

get over ya hate
stop ya self medication with booze
its killing ya softly..bit by bit...every sip kills

one sip can addict ya for life
were only putting you in jail..cause we respect you

kids with booze loose the booze[cops tip it out]
and parents may be called..or the drunks taken to hospital or parents

dopers go directly to jail
face 3 court cases...cost billions for jailing them

for what..smoking a plant
misscalled a 'drug'...[''how absurd''...
[as justice staples has said]..'to classify a plant a crime'

read first page..of genesis 1:29...
'and god said..i give you every seed bearing plant''

now read the last page of exodus
22;2...'tree of life''...''bearing 12 crops of fruit''
''yeilding..its fruits every month''...'and the leaves of the tree shall be for the healing of nations''

i explained
what that means...in other topics
[the tree is described in exodus 25:..31-40]
see nsw police posters from the 70's...when hippies finaly found it in the 70's...seven branched cannabliss...the lost tribe's took with them..after the delivery of the law..

yep nutts
crazey as a loon
yet i can name the 35.000 fruits
not just a measily 12...lol...

even 12
semed too hard to find...lol