Pericles:"generalizing from the particular"

I dispute that. I have not sought to generalise in any way. In fact, I've had to drag the discussion back on track several times when others have sought to generalise.

Do feel free to apologise for misrepresenting my views.

Or don't, it's of no moment

I understand I am talking in an empty room.
But feel I need to, and that the thread left wounds on all who contributed but gave no answers.
I,remember we all get it wrong, maybe I am, saw evidence some women refuse to even contemplate men are SOME TIMES TREATED UNEQUALLY.
At the bad boy,aging one now,end of the bench, as anti said no shortage of company drove my thoughts.
I was never against equality, never a fan of extremes, including feminism.
But how can we not see women both stand on the pedestal, and demand it, then SOME, INCREASING NUMBERS use that to abuse and miss use men.
I have seen anti get a bit rough,but seen too, him jumped on for just telling the truth.
Are all men products of unwed parents because SOME BASH?
Then how an we avoid looking at the lower end of the female sex.
I understand my links did not all play fair, know this,not every man is a tower of strength, a hard man.
SOME women pick the weak, abuse and miss use them ,yes bash them, SOME of those men beg for help,and no one believes they could be telling the truth.
Men are from Mars women from Venus, some,from both sex's are from HELL.
If I after 5 court orders took off with my kids never let the mum see them again I would be branded dog, rightfully too.
Mum? she one of thousands will never be charged, see men are Bar*^&ds
Women,good looking ones , always Angels.
Open debate on any subject but not one about Angels ok?

I'm certainly not going to apologize for disagreeing with you, Antiseptic.

>>Pericles:"generalizing from the particular" I dispute that. I have not sought to generalise in any way. In fact, I've had to drag the discussion back on track several times when others have sought to generalise. Do feel free to apologise for misrepresenting my views.<<

Your views are not misrepresented in any way. You have done nothing but generalize throughout the entire thread. Right from your opening post:

>>He described a scene at an art exhibition opening he attended... Is violence directed toward men by women really such an entrenched part of our society that nobody pays it any attention?<<

You took a single incident, reported by a third party, in order to generalize about a supposed entrenched culture of women-on-men violence. And you have continued in the same vein for a whole fortnight.

Right down to the post that initiated my observation:

>>I'd say that our experience is fast becoming the "dominant paradigm" for fathers who have to endure a contentious divorce, especially when the mother claims violence exists, regardless of evidenciary support<<

In this case, you use your own particular situation to draw your generalized conclusions.

It happens. Women occasionally slap men. If it causes you pain, walk away. Find someone else, if you need to. And accept that even in the enlightened age in which we live, it is still far easier for the man to do so, than it is for the woman.

Or is that also a "quaintly Victorian patriarchal notion"?

Seems I am just going to be ignored anti, you I see are still being targeted with puffs of air, thrown from afar.
Difficult this, I thought we you I others had a point, first that all DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS WRONG.
And that some women, more than most think, are as bad as any.
I may have avoided a few things, in saying yes being female gets them off lightly.
Like haveing a short skirt or deep drop top on saves speeding fines.
But alas we have gone too far, actually asking for full equality for women.
Never mind they are not all like that.
Narcissist, controlling, man users I mean.

Pericles:"accept that even in the enlightened age in which we live, it is still far easier for the man to do so, than it is for the woman."

And your evidence for this is?

ICB.
Belly:"I thought we you I others had a point, first that all DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS WRONG.:"

Apparently, according to Pericles, it's only wrong when men respond to the violence of women.

I hope he never gets disabused of his quaint notion.

Oh please, Antiseptic, you're rather scraping the barrel here, and beginning to look a little pathetic.

>>Apparently, according to Pericles, it's only wrong when men respond to the violence of women.<<

You know perfectly well that I said no such thing.

And you sound so much like my whiny elder brother, it's uncanny. He used to regularly complain to my mother that she told him off more often for hitting me, that me for hitting him.

"You're bigger than him" she used to say, "and anyway you're older, you should know better"

She would always add "...and stop tormenting your brother, Pericles, you know what will happen."

Amazingly, he never got around to forming an Older Brother Victims Unit, where he could forever compare notes with other tormented big brothers, and where they would all whinge to their heart's content about how terribly unfair it was.

Probably because he grew up.