Football talent scouts could do worse than seek out Suseonline.
My game thrives on side step seeming to flick pass the ball while hanging on to it.
If I am not seeing denial women hit men I have lost the plot.
References to education family and formal, neglect totally we can not educate respect o even good manners in to every one.
Parents, every day,ask how did we go wrong, as well bought up kids run off the rails.
Life is like that,the thought, that in some way, Antiseptic and I are bigoted, or constructing lies, is fun.
But descriptive too, SOME WOMEN , SOME MEN are grubs!
ALL DV is a crime, but thinking without debating the whole issue we can educate or breed it out is wrong.
Behind this issue many different reasons exist.
Strange but the second husband of SOME women are more likely to be CONTROLLED if not abused as a way of what? keeping them?

Suseonline:"Should all men shut their provoking mouths also, in order not to be beaten up by other men then?
What utter piffle!"

erm...

Yes alright then Antiseptic, I agree my English wasn't too good in that particular sentence.
It should have read as: <"Should all men shut their provoking mouths also, in order not to be beaten up by other men then?
What utter piffle you write, Antiseptic!"

There now, that's much better , and oh so true...

I think I have also had enough of this thread now.
See you all on another thread xx

As a man, Suse, I can tell you that men are very used to biting their tongues to avoid provoking others. This is a standard part of most young men's lives and that's not a bad thing. It's called "restraint" and you sem to expect men to exercise it and women not to be able to.

As I said, you expect men to behave like adults and women to be able to act like children.

Sus seems you do not like men?
Sorry but you are talking rubbish.
The female I am right but I am wrong rubbish.
You know the final word then storm out the door rubbish.
Stuff men hold in, do not react to, that only opens the tap more.
SOME WOMEN, content they have force fed their views, never know, they just earn a reputation that kills any respect for anything they say.
Hidden from them but still true, *just ignore her and she will go away*
Antiseptic we are just bad boys, how dare we? what right have we? to introduce truth in to this debate.
I like to think, point less denial, in part, proves our point.
A denial is on display here, that woman could be human, have the same faults as men.

Lexi:"Today a person's individual human qualities rather
than their biological sex should be the primary measure of that
person's worth and achievement."

Perhaps they should, but as long as the dominant paradigm is informed by a feminist perspective then men will be treated as second-class. Young men already have just half the chance of attending uni that young women do and they will face barriers to full participation all of their lives. Women receive preferential treatment with the APS as a matter of public service policy and that is being forced upon our public companies as well.

In nearly every aspect of social policy men are either ignored, or men's interests are deliberately discouraged if there is any perceived female interest in the same issue.

Even simply suggesting that women should exercise restraint in their dealings is "piffle" according to your friend suse, while she is so used to men doing so that she simply doesn't recognise it yet takes it for granted, just as a child does with its parents.

Apparently she thinks that men never do so, which is yet another triumph of feminist ideology over (admittedly rather low-wattage in her case) brainpower.

Belly, don't get too bothered by all this. I'm afraid that Suse and Pericles are simply products of their rather narrow social conditioning. Pericles rather quaint views are straight out of a Victorian romance novel and Suze's sound like a Mills and Boon written by Germaine Greer (without all that messy sex with young boys stuff though, Suse won't have any of that, thanks very much!).

It's when such people are challenged on those views that the rigidity in their thinking gets tested and that can be painful for them.