"But remain baffled by the thought NO WOMAN is ever wrong."

Belly I don't think that many if any would think that. It's like most things, a matter of where we are most likely to give the benefit of the doubt and what excuses are seen as having some mitigating value.

I get very frustrated by a seeming unwillingness to confront the evidence or argue it on it's merits if the evidence is considered flawed but I don't think that most feminists are as extreme as you seem to be suggesting.

I think much of the DV issue is stalled because of the determination of some to play it as a gender issue rather than a human issue. rather than step back and look for real causes a lot of "research" has been fixated on the idea that it's all about male power. The research which has tried to look deeper is largely sidelined by the vested interests in the industry or dismissed because it ends up showing that we are all in this together, that males and females are not all that different on some things.

R0bert

Pericles, I'm going to do something I rarely done on OLO and apologise for my treatment of your presentation of your view.

I'm sure it is sincerely and soundly held, despite my ridicule and I hold to pretty much the same view myself. I was not only taught not to hit women, but that gentlemen don't swear in front of ladies and hat ladies don't take these things for granted, but try to live up to the attention with proper grace and decorum and appreciation.

It is extremely irksome when I am charged with wanting to beat women.

So I responded pugnaciously perhaps, which is my nature.

Belly, I don't speak for anyone but myself and my children inasmuch they'll let me.
I do think lots of men are voiceless in our society, though. Feminism has become a fait accompli in our Government institutions, especially the ALP via Emily's List. They own nearly all the female ALP MPs and Senators in all states and the Federal Parliament. There isn't any kind of equivalent body advocating for the special treatment of male politicians who identify as masculinists.

Antiseptic<"Feminism has become a fait accompli in our Government institutions, especially the ALP via Emily's List."

Is that so? If equality is what feminists have wanted for so long, then feminism is most certainly not a fait accompli yet at all, as far as I can see...

It's interesting you mentioned Emily's list.
I don't know a lot about it, but I have read it is a US derived organization dedicated to electing pro-choice Democratic women to office.
Why would you have a problem with that?
I would have thought you would be a pro-choice advocate?

In any case I read something funny about women in politics the other day:

"I think it's about time we voted for senators with breasts. After all, we've been voting for boobs long enough." ~Clarie Sargent, Arizona senatorial candidate.

RObert that is my point.
Not most, not many, but some women are like that.
And some will always, deny that.
DV is wrong always,and unacceptable always.
I truly, think our country is in crisis, because of the breakdowns in relationships.
My concern is solidly, the fate of Children, victims of dysfunctional homes.
In Foster care and finding love,sometimes for the first time in their lives.
Heart breaking.
We ignore the truth, some times both sex's use every form of DV yes I Antiseptic am Alpha male.
But always knew my place, in a relationship, it never was the fat frog on the lounge demanding service.
It always was a team effort.as it should be.
I will not hide my view some women are every bit as bad as some men.

The following links may be of some interest:

http://www.adfvc.unsw.edu.au/PDF%20files/Men_as_Victims.pdf

And

http://www.mensrights.com.au/page13y.htm

Lexi the Headey, Scott and de Vaus is one I've referenced fairly frequently although I've referred to http://www.fact.on.ca/Info/dom/heady99.htm

I'd not seen the other paper before but if the first paragraph is any indication it's loaded with bias and I will be surprised if it comes to any realistic conclusions.

There is actually quite a long history of work covering rates of DV by both genders so the claim "To date there is little statistical
data recording men as victims, either within Australia or overseas." is blatantly false. Either they've not done the most basic checks or they are deliberately ignoring a large body of statistical data.

The paper I referenced earlier is a good start. http://lilt.ilstu.edu/mjreese/psy290/downloads/Archer%202000.pdf

Radar is an advocacy site but does have some good links. http://www.mediaradar.org/

An article by Murray Straus (referenced from Radar) discusses the concealment of evidence in this area. http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V74-gender-symmetry-with-gramham-Kevan-Method%208-.pdf

I've noticed that the dodgy work tends to start with a statement of faith confirming their commitment to the gender paradigm,

I'll try and have a better look at the first link when I get a chance, it may do better than it's first few paragraphs.

Cheers
R0bert