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200 more asylum seekers dead. Is Labor to blame?

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Looking at this from an historical angle - a view from above - it seems the West is looking a little like the the dutch boy who plugged up the hole in the dyke with his finger...except in this instance the flow continues.

Humans have always migrated, often in waves, and for whatever reason. That Western countries hold allure for the dispossessed of other countries is not surprising. It's fascinating to watch as we squabble and lay blame as a reaction to our little patch of paradise being coveted by those who are still breeding in the middle-east and beyond.

Things change - humans migrate. If you think for a moment you can ultimately stop it, you're dreaming.
Posted by Poirot, Thursday, 22 December 2011 2:19:01 PM
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SM you and I know, your last post intended to deceive.
In that quote you found,Chris said, three different times, of the paper suggesting Iran.
You know that and I can say much about you.
But refrain from further because OLO is better than the thoughts I now hold about you.
Many times I , and others, have left or not contributed to your threads.
I think the day must come I make up my mind once and for all what I want to do.
your man, in print, spoke as I said.
I truly, think you are quite aware of that.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 22 December 2011 3:31:34 PM
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Belly it's time to provide some more detail on your claims regarding Morrison wanting to send refugee's to Iran.

I've been trying out the ParlInfo search engine to try and find the references and have not found anything like what you've suggested in 2011. Search criteria Iran (Date:01/01/2011 >> ) Dataset:hansardr,hansardr80,hansards,hansards80 (then checking for places where anyone called Morrison was the speaker or questioner. Found a few but none like what you have claimed.

http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/summary/summary.w3p;adv=yes;orderBy=customrank;page=0;query=Iran%20%28Date%3A01%2F01%2F2011%20%3E%3E%20%29%20Dataset%3Ahansardr,hansardr80,hansards,hansards80;resCount=Default

The closest are comments by Bowen, not by Morrison.

It looks to me as if the Iran comments are a Labor invention which you've taken seriously but which don't have any truth to them. I'll happily retract if you can point to a credible record which shows otherwise.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Thursday, 22 December 2011 4:39:31 PM
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Dear RObert,

The following link may clarify things for you:

http://www.asrc.org.au/in-the-news/bizarre-and-unworkable-morrison-plan/

You owe someone an apology.
Posted by Lexi, Thursday, 22 December 2011 5:57:19 PM
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Thanks Runner for your reply.
You said.....

"Are you so gullible to believe that the Greens really care about the environment? Their is a difference between worshipping the earth and taking care of it.

And the answer is no....

Runner, I know you don't need any reminder, whether it be for the left and the right:).....As for the balance of power, you need little revision on that front as well.

The reason why the Greens are where they are, Iam happy to take the lower seat on this as politics needs a third party or referee.

Yes Iam very much an earth worshiper and I don't try to hide it.

PS Runner. I would like to think we all love the environment since this is the only planet we have got.

Iam sure there are plenty of GOD people that care about it just the same as all of us.

See you round, and Merry Xmas.

CACTUS:)
Posted by Cactus..2, Thursday, 22 December 2011 6:54:34 PM
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"You owe someone an apology." or Belly could have backed his claims earlier when asked to do so by Forest. Useful to be able to put the comments in context.

From what appears to be a transcript of the speech I gather this is the part that's sparked the outrage.
"In my view, Australia’s participation in a regional solution for Afghanistan should seek to trade off Australia taking more refugees out of the camps in countries of first asylum in that region in return for the ability to return those who have sought to advantage their asylum claims through illegal entry to Australia, to those same camps or other safe places established for that purpose, as part of the regional solution." I'll have a think about that one, some parts appeal and it would definitely sort out the queue jumping idea.

I did like the following, similar to a point I've made a number of times on OLO (although it depends on what detention means).
"It strikes me as worthy of consideration that we should assess the feasibility of using the time spent in our detention network to provide training, skills and education that will assist those who return to make a greater contribution to their nation’s future. "

Belly I was incorrect in my view that the suggestion was a Labor invention but sources are important. Context means a lot.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Thursday, 22 December 2011 7:35:03 PM
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