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200 more asylum seekers dead. Is Labor to blame?
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Posted by Lexi, Sunday, 18 December 2011 5:05:55 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,
For your information and to clarify things further for you Sir, here is a link explaining the "Lowy Interpreter," and its connection to the Lowy Institute for you. I want you to have the full facts before you go ahead and in a desperate measure try to ... never mind - you know what you're trying to do as does everyone else here. http://www.lowyinterpreter.org/page/About-The-Interpreter.aspx Posted by Lexi, Sunday, 18 December 2011 5:17:26 PM
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Lexi,
A few clarifications of your misrepresentations: In 2000 there were nearly 4000 boat arrivals, under the pacific solution from 2001 to 2008 there were 1637, most of whom were in the first six months. The last 6 years saw only about 300. Of the 1637 coming to Nauru, 750 (or 43% of the total) were given residence to Australia) and 30% were returned. Presently more than 95% of boat arrivals get residence. It was an overwhelmingly effective deterrent. And in a short time we have gone from less than 100 a year to nearly 1000 a month. As I said the attraction to asylum seekers is like labor encouraging children to play in the traffic. Juliar has some responsibility for the genocide that is occurring. Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 18 December 2011 5:31:23 PM
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Of course Labor has some responsibility for the boats starting up again, but it was mostly Ruddy, not the majority of the party at fault.
Of course Julia has stuffed it up, just like everything she gets involved in. It would not be Julia if it worked. But it is still only some responsibility, & not much at that. I have not heard of Julia or even Rudd herding the illegals onto the boats, or even helping organise the boats or the financing. No it is only those trying to cheat on our immigration system, & impose themselves on us, with the aid of our bleeding hearts, that are at fault. If they were not trying to cheat, they would not be on the boat in the first place. There will only be people smugglers as long as there are undesirables wanting to cheat our system, so don't blame then either. They are merely filling a need, created by these undesirables. Send them all back, & the boats will stop. It really is time to pull out of all UN treaties, & in fact get out of the UN itself. It must be the most dysfunctional, corrupt organisation the world has ever seen, & the sooner we are out of it the better. We should never compromise our sovereignty for any reason, particularly, to an organisation like the UN Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 18 December 2011 6:07:52 PM
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The High Court determination has changed everything, whether you believe that or not is your problem ... and Abbott's. What we have left is the Australian mainland – boats are on the increase, as the Australian Government predicted, as are the deaths. The 'Noalition' under Abbott typically wants to ‘play’ politics. These latest deaths would not have happened under Turnbull. Abbott knows this, Turnbull knows this, Gillard knows this, Brown knows this, and the Independents know this, most people know this. You have jumped into your ‘defence’ (post) much too quickly, Shadow Minister - unsurprisingly, as does Abbott. This is a most tragic event Shadow Minister (as all ‘asylum seeker’ deaths are), Your much too quick ‘squirm and worm’ (my patent) Shadow Minister speaks volumes. People hear/see this. Hypothetical What would happen if Australia didn’t ‘own’ Christmas Island? Posted by bonmot, Sunday, 18 December 2011 6:50:30 PM
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They wouldn't have happened under Howard either, Bono.
You are starting to sound somewhat rattled, trying to blame the opposition for government stuff ups. Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 18 December 2011 7:31:22 PM
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Quoting from the article that you choose to ignore -
which the Lowy Institute saw fit to publish in their
press (just as The Australian does with its "opinion"
pieces):
A few clarifications:
"Between 2001 and 2008, 1637 people were detained on Nauru and
Manus Island, 1153 (i.e. 70%) were settled in Australia or other
countries. Of this group, 705 (i.e. 61%) were ultimately settled
in Australia with the remaining 448 resettled in third countries."
The deterrent value of such an exercise as Graham Richardson
suggests, is from from clear:
"Your average people-smuggler would not have to be all that
bright to be able to sell to a potential client that there
was a 70% chance of success in finishing up in an acceptable
Western Nation, most probably Australia, after spending a year
on a Pacific island. Asylum-seekers will hand over the money
and risk their lives when the odds are as high as 70%."
"However, is the alternative of onshore processing, as Richardson
argues, a viable one? Practically "yes," but politically, "no."
"Certainly it may seem more cost-effective, given that the
cost of housing detainees on Nauru and Manus Island between 2001
and 2006 came to approximately $1 billion..."
Shadow Minister it's not me who's "getting deperate."
It's you who keeps bringing politics into this issue - and
I feel obliged to respond to the one-eyed view you keep perpetuating.
As Richardson "somewhat ruefully concludes, "Australians
apparently will revolt at the prospect of releasing a trickle of aliens into our midst. A few thousand a year really shoudln't
trouble 20 million but they do!"
The author of the article - sums things up rather well by asking
the question:
"Has the language of security and threat poisoned policy so much, that as far as Australians are concerned, there really is no
asylum here?"
Obviously not - for some.