The anti Rudd thoughts in this thread do not all come from conservatives.
A close look and re read will confirm some very far left posters are concerned that Kevin Rudd might just lead Labor to power.
And that he may govern well.
The Brian Burk affair while it should not have taken place is no longer of much interest even to Conservatives.
Polls appear to show it is of little interest to voters.
And compared to the massive number of lies lay ed at the feet of Howard and his cabinet they should be of little interest.
Workchoices you would think has to be the enemy of fair minded Australians.
I expect all from left of center to understand the real pain it inflicts on lower income workers now and all who work if Howard is re elected.
Yet if you read the debate you will find hope that workers may rise up and fight for what?
A nightmare of communism or radical Socialism, I would fear that as much as another 2 terms of John Howard.
But it is of course a dream, the chances of it EVER happening are about the same as me winning lotto without a ticket.
Another poster says Gillard should be leader, while Julia is doing a great job and will continue to grow in her portfolio she will never lead the party.
Has the poster any understanding of how the party works?
And can the poster understand why we are currently doing so well in the polls?
Kevin Rudd is showing he is no man to fear after he becomes Prime Minister.
I doubt if we right now have another in the party who could get those poll and election results.
While I expect conservatives to lie and use dirty tactics it is strange knowing the pain workchoices has inflicted to find anyone from the left who thinks it is secondary to hurting Labor
Some great ideas come from the left but the extreme left is no less a danger to working Australians than John Howard.

PerthGuy

Can you tell me what Rudd is supposed to have done wrong? Other than being at a dinner with Burke.

Was he trying to get support for a leadership challenge? Spectacularly unsuccessful if he was.

As an opposition shadow minister he had no influence on Govt. policy.

As a Queenslander he had no influence on WA state politics.

So what are you saying he did?

Given that the next election will be decided in Qld and NSW the mood of the voters of WA is irrelevant, I'm sorry the rest of us have moved on from Burke.

Guilt by association may be OK in your mind, not in mine.

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Mr. Rudd was not up front to us the voter concerning his dealings with Mr. Burke, and claimed mud slinging as a defence.

Mr. Rudd, was gaining an insight into the needs of the grass routes stakeholders for his party’s policy framework to ultimately deliver the stakeholders a platform they would accept leading to guaranteed numbers at the National Executive, which saw Mr. Edwards’s, introduce Mr. Burke to Mr. Rudd. Not numbers for a challenge to Mr. Beazley.

Mudsling can often backfire - when the story unfolds.

Senior Western Australian Government Minister Alannah MacTiernan says the leaders of a handful of unions in WA control a large percentage of the votes in the executive conference

That is the reason I think Mr. Rudd is not my choice to lead our party.

Mr. Rudd, pro nuclear

Mr. Rudd, pro logging Tasmania’s old growth forests

Mr. Rudd, no to providing 6% super top up

Mr. Rudd, stopping debate of Mr. Cameron’s equity social policy

Mr. Rudd, having decided to show contempt for the Aussie voter, by not being up front as to how he came to be at that dinner in Perth, I was staying with a mate and he asked me to come along to this dinner and not wanting to appear rude, I went. Yeh Right.

Mr. Rudd knew about Brian Burke, he had been working with Burke’s daughter at the time.

By Mr. Rudd thinking he had a potential problem, he then showed his character, he was evasive and not upfront.

His character shows a lack of integrity and honesty in the Brian Burke affair.

Now Mr. Rudd is asking us to believe in him.

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Now Mr. Rudd is asking us to believe in him.

The question of GST is important here.

If Mr. Rudd becomes PM we will have all states being Labor and federal being Labor.

If Mr. Rudd wants to increase taxes, the GST, he rings around his state mates, asks for their agreement, and we have an increase in tax, increase in the GST.

So Mr. Rudd's character is important if he wants us to believe him.

So far Mr. Rudd has failed the honesty test and he is not even in office.

Polls suggest 66% of Mr. Rudd's supporters believe Mr. Rudd was not up front with his Burke dealings.

So the majority of Mr. Rudd’s supporters are giving Mr. Rudd the message that, it's ok we know you haven’t got integrity but we will vote for you.

We are to blame when taxes rise, the GST rises, because we expect it of Mr. Rudd not to have integrity.

I want a better politician from my party.

I want a politician representing Labor that says it is not right to lie to the voters and treat them with contempt because the other party does it.

The Brian Burke affair could have been stopped in its tracks if Mr. Rudd chose to be up front, but he chose not to.

Mr. Rudd saying he did not know about the Burke issues is unlikely, as was and still is working with Brian Burke’s daughter.

Mr. Rudd soon will not have to say anything else on the Burke affair as the Corruption and Crime Commission, will be releasing an intercepted telephone call between Mr. Rudd and Brian Burke that should provide the information to the voter concerning Mr. Rudd's character.

That’s why it is important.

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If the CCC releases a tape between Rudd and Burke (if there is one which I doubt) it will be breaking the law and its terms of reference. The CCC can investigate all State Government departments and local government authorities.

Since Rudd is neither, your assertion is rubbish.

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Would you rather Rudd backed the looney left and that Labor stay in opposition forever?

I like to laugh a lot sometimes, and sometimes my posts may get a bit to up front.I try truly never to insult just for the sake of it true.
But perthguynic I mate do not believe you, no phone conversation is likely to have taken place between Rudd and Burk.
Burk was a party numbers man who used his ALP ties to make a quid, sometimes sailing too close to the wind.
He is no mate of mine, but have you heard the saying a few bricks short of the pallet?
Am I wrong in saying your posts seem to point at you being from the very left?
Is your major concern that Labor is shifting to far right?
Do you agree Labor can only change anything from government?
Do you hold hopes that another term of John Howard may turn workers into idiots? sorry communists?
Rudd is the best chance Labor and Australia has had to undo the work of the H R Nichols society and at least 5 other right wing conservative groups who have far more power than every union combined in this country.
And they use it far more illegally than any union and the grub Burk has or could.
Stop the disjointed posts and lay your cards on the table.
Here is my path in life , a member of Labor and a trade unionist I want Labor to govern well for 3 terms to undo workchoices.
One day under a new untainted name I would like to see a new socialism a hand up not a hand out.
And last? till I die I will fight extremism like yours.
Oh I am a trade union official on my shirt pocket it says under my name *if I ever let you down remind me I am worthless*
Are you perthguynic letting your side down?