The Australian Labor Party 'Brand Labor' has given the Australian voter their candidate for Prime Minister of Australia in election 2007, Mr Rudd.

This discussion is interested in the marketing and policy development of 'Brand Labor' and Mr. Rudd.

The backdrop for the discussion is the immoral proposition shared by, 'Brand Labor' and their current candidate for PM, Mr. Rudd, that the prevailing political culture finds it appropriate , acceptable, expected or understandable, that a potential candidate for Prime Minister, can treat voters with contempt.

Mr Rudd vs. the marketing spin.

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I put on notice I am biased, I am both a union official and ALP member.
I in the first place admite to a sin, I think every worker should get a fair days pay for a fair days work.
In the second I am bound to admite I have often told my party I was unhappy with it but never now or in the future voted against it.
From centre unity the ALP right I once supported the Iraq war I WAS WRONG.
I thought Bush, a man I dislike was the best of two poor candedates for Americas last presedentual elections.
See? sins exposed.
John Howard and about 6 of his front bench are the best advantage Labor has ever had so far out from a poll.
Rudd will become a great Prime Minister more liked than Bob Hawk at his best.
And leave Australia better than he finds it.
Conservatives must ask.
Why the miss use of the historic mandate Latham gave Howard?
Workchoices was an act of war on already low income workers who had only their labour to sell.
John Howard Sir how could you think this country should profit by makeing some suffer so much?
Good by John.

Ah Belly knew it would come out sooner or later.

Now my question to you

Why didnt the unions and labor take this country out on strike before workchoices AWA's were introduced.

It was wrong then but nothing so belly why, why didnt you stand up for the people then.

What was that

It really isnt going to be that bad
Its only some colatoral damage
We can bring it up at election time

So Belly a union man
well what i have seen the unions and labor only have one interest themselves.

This workchoices and AWA's never had to come in but you, your union mates and labor were to gutless to stop it.

So Belly why dont you go hide under the rock where you came from and when you have the guts to speak out and stand up for the people, you may find a different world.

A place which you and your mates turned your backs on the people, the workers for your own benefit.

Dont tell me how it works I know how it should work, And you all have no interest but yourselves.

Tapp you are a rather rude bloke are you not? you will find posts from me in this forum as far back as 2005 and maybe further.
They clearly give my workplace and I hide my pride from no one.
Such is life for a conservative trade union official that insults like yours mostly come from the extreme left but here is your answer.
Unions are driven, if they are worth being in, by members, we exist for them alone.
They knew to strike after workchoices would see bankruptcy and death for unions.
This anti workchoices campaign has been the best union campaign ever run.
It has the community including Church's and other groups behind it.
It will bring about the fall of the Howard government.
Tomorrow around NSW unionist wearing proudly anti workchoices shirts will man booths in solidarity with Labor in the fight to keep workers rights.
Unions and members are bound by rule of law a good union official knows if you can win without starting a war that is the path you should tread.
If you should see me around the workplace read my shirt under the name Belly it says unions forever and under that if I ever let you down remind me I am worthless.
So insult away but no one has ever had to remind me.
Unions need not be warlike to win, only some battles must be fought.

Tapp read it again no offense taken and in the spirit of free speech I do hope we you and me are not deleted.
On reflection I want to take back those words that you are rude it is clear you just do not understand how politics works.
Labor once thrashed partly by Howard and party by Lathams leadership had no power to stop workchoices.
Unions too had no power other than to begine the greatest union campaign in the history of Australia the your rights at work campaign.
You are inferring that I am weak and lazy? it seems you are at least.
Mate passion is not your private property, I feel so bad at the pain I see daily inflicted not on higher skilled workers.
But on their wifes and children under workchoices.
Right now[reserve that rock a true grub may need it] on a site I service.
Labour hire is paying casual laborers less than the full time workers working with them, this is with a casual 25% loading!
Paying fortnightly pay in an industry that has always been weekly, must stop it hurts to think some are so low.
One day we can sit down over a cup of coffee and talk this out but never put your views about me in the facts column until you can say it is true.
regards
PS vote for the only party that can dump workchoices I will reserve a HTV for you.
And AWAs existed long before the 2004 election.

You still dont get it

open your eyes Belly

The unions and labor could have stopped this

How before it became legislation
You know Belly before it happened, came into force

But alas

Nothing from the unions or labor.

Now Belly If you wanted a pay rise the men would go out on strike before not after it happened.

What was that you didnt see it coming
And you want labor and the unions running the country with your eyes closed.

I can keep going Belly but as you should know as a good trade union organiser you get in when you find out what is happening not after the fact.

You all knew we knew so why Belly
Why was it that the unions and labor was so incompetent.

What people losing their jobs just colatoral damage , just blame the liberals.

Well Belly i not only blame the Liberals but the unions and Labor for their gutless approach to stopping these laws at the start.

What is it Belly the arrogance of the unions and labor had the man power to take this nation and go on strike but hey, we have had enough of the pathetic excuses which you use to hide your incompentence.

Now Belly you understand me

The Marketing of Mr Rudd - remember you have a credibility problem so try to be consistent.

Mr Rudd, said, Dec 06.

." We have seen this complete right-wing takeover of modern liberalism, and it is
an ugly spectacle to behold. It is in its essence about everything being an
economic commodity. It is about everything being about the triumph of the
markets"

Mr Rudd's ' Brand Labor' Uranium Policy.

Journalist: So it’s an economic argument…(inaudible)…?

'Brand Labor'.. Chris Evans:

"One of the key drivers of a change I think ought to be the economics."

Mr Rudd you cant keep having a bet each way, you must have integrity.

Your word's don't match your actions.

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The marketing of Mr. Rudd – The new right.

Little by little Mr. Rudd’s cold ‘Brand Labor’ is ripping out the heart of the Australian Labor Party.

And as we discussed earlier, the party is powerless to do anything about it.

Now Mr. Rudd’s ‘Brand Labor’ wants to have a NUCLEAR AUSTRALIA.

This from ‘Brand Labor’. 23 March 2007.

For a quarter of a century a centrepiece of Federal Labor’s policy response to nuclear issues has been a ban on new uranium mines. The policy has enormous political and symbolic value for Labor Party members who have deeply-held, enduring and well-placed concerns over the nuclear fuel cycle. For many, the continuation of our current approach is almost a moral imperative.

Next month the ALP National Conference will revisit the issue of uranium mining and the no-new-mines policy. This will occur at a time when the national energy debate is focussed on the challenge of climate change and John Howard’s push to take Australia nuclear. Labor has developed a strong, modern and realistic policy to respond to the challenge of climate change and meet our energy needs from clean and safe fuels. We’re keen to articulate our alternative energy vision. An outside observer might then legitimately wonder why Labor remains so focussed on the issue of uranium mining.

It’s a good question.

The ALP are embarking on a voyage of no return,similar to the one the Democrats are currently enjoying.

Mr Rudd's cold 'Brand Labor' want a nuclear Australia.

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The marketing of Mr. Rudd – The new right.

I believe it is irresponsible of the executive of the Australian Labor Party, to hand over a valuable brand, the Labor brand to a small clique of untrustworthy politicians, with questionable personal political ambitions, and then walk away and hope that this group, Mr. Rudd’s ‘Brand Labor’ will actually deliver the agenda that the Australian Labor Party stands for.

Loyalty to the ‘Party” means accepting this right wing philosophy by Mr. Rudd’s ‘Brand Labor’.

By giving away it’s brand, the ALP watches from a distance the values which it holds dear being lost, in turn it leaves the believer to stand by and watch the destruction of a socially progressive party , by the coldhearted soulless current ‘Brand Labor’ lead by the less than upfront Mr. Rudd.
And ultimately hamstrung by the adoption of a right wing agenda to pursue and consider vision for a better society.

All the pain must be for something?

The adoption of cold soulless right wing market driven ‘Brand Labor’ is necessary, apparently, to achieve acceptance by the mainstream voter and ultimately lead to an election victory.

The payoff for the ALP we are told is that once in government ‘Brand Labor’ will listen to the ‘Party’ and introduce the real social platform.

Social policy by stealth.

Mr. Rudd doorstop interview, 22 March 2007.

JOURNALIST: Why wasn’t there more discussion with backbenchers?

RUDD: No, in the business of politics you take some hard decisions. Obviously, you can’t consult everybody as often and as extensively as you would like but the business of leadership is to lead. I think I’ve done that.

It is a big ask to trust Mr. Rudd to deliver.

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The marketing of Mr Rudd - broadband policy and Party consultation - its allways good to consult.

Press release Mr Rudd, 22 March 2007.

JOURNALIST: How much discussion did you have about this decision?

RUDD: We had discussions among the relevant Shadow Ministers – the Shadow Minister for Finance, the Shadow Minister for Communications – and of course, with some others who have leadership positions within the Party. But at the end of the day, you’ve got to take a lead and I’ve made that decision,

Mr Rudd policy development should include a wide range of discussion through out the party.

The ramifacations of funding this proposal will have a major effect on delivering of much needed social policy.

'Brand Labor' Give us heart and soul.

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Consulting like John Howard's consultation on his $7.8 billion subsidy to irrigators? Cabinet: no, Treasury: no, Finance:, no. Politics: Yes.

First Tapp no chance existed to stop workchoices mate Sir if you wish, tell me who knew Howard would impose it on us?
The chance to stop workchoices did not exist because we never knew it was coming.
But yes the party could have stopped it even while it would have been unaware it was doing so.
If Simon Crean had never been elected, if he had not transfered his spite filled support to Latham, we would not have lost the senate.
And now to the view of how bad the ALP is ahem, may I ask why the conservatives can not beat us?
How bad are they?
How could they not win yesterday?
However Australia is about to elect an all time great Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.
He will govern for all Australians as he must not a very few but most.
That is how government works in Australia government for most not foolish minority's.
In the background the budgie smuggler is putting the man who ended his political life on notice to perform!
How strange some who wish to govern are in this country.

Well lets see we new workchoices AWA's were coming in where was the unions and labor just wingeing about it.
I was coming back from the australian disabled shooting championships when the awa's came in and the sh#t was hitting the fan.
we all knew when it was coming in, when it became law you still could have acted, BUT the unions and labor didnt.

Well with NSW
its better the devil you know than
the one you dont and what about choice not really any choice was there.

Kevin Rudd lets see since the campain was about liberals handing over to jonny

now its going to be Iemma handing over to ruddy.

Now dont tell me you dont know about the labor federalism plan.

Can you tell me how many public servants have lost jobs in the railway, and how many more to go.

So in all belly i would say good win but really what win.

with The Australian peoples Party well we will keep going.

Oh forgot something how many uranium mines are labor going to open up if they win, 4,5,6

Tapp your party and any small party in this up coming election is not going to win anything other than a chook raffle at the fund raiser.
Howard has marginalized the country and two party preferred has more meaning this time than for a very long time.
If you buy that coffee we will one day drink I will show you how to win voters over.
It is not done by unproven claims such as those you make about the ALP and the union movement.
It seems to have slipped your mind that every state in Australia is governed by us.
That the strange people you need to convince are called voters.
Not hard to find if you get on a bus they are the people standing next to you.
To say they voted wrong, or did not know what they did vote for is not an answer.
In fact excepting the voters will is a must for real politicians.
And things like the devil you know are rubbish, how Sir can you give so much more value to your thoughts than voters and still claim to run an alternative party?

One can see that you did not read todays sunday herald

The states are run by us
is us the unions
or the alp

My claims

no claim
when is NSW government going to sell off country link
how many more uranium mines is labor going to open

what is labor federalism plan it is there you know that, I know that so what about it.

And that cuppa if i have to travel by train well i wont be able to afford the increases due to shareholders profits, but then again it depends on how many they sack.

like the sunday herald said
people voted this way because it it;

BETTER THE DEVIL YOU KNOW THAN THE ONE YOU DONT

Labor vs Liberal you are both bad, both on the nose, both running out off time.

At the start of debate with you Tapp I thought this bloke truly thinks he can change the world and its a pity he never will.
You have advised me in your posts that you never can even get started on that task.
On what evidence do you claim trains are for sale in NSW?
all major party's know we will open new mines.
And some can not understand the policy on faster Internet services is about everything we do in life not faster down loads of games.
Futures fund? it is about our future and our country's see the cartoon about Howard and the fastest Carrier pidgin?
And surely you except the union movement gave birth to the ALP? my posts say I am both unionist and Labor member so what hat do you want me to wear this morning to celebrate our win?
Both I rejoice as a unionist and as a party member in the confidence voters showed in us.
Now last you claim both Liberal and Labor have had their day? so 80 or even 90% of Australian voters are wrong?
No! maths say it is much more likely you are.
The impending train wreck of conservative Australia in the federal election will give conservatives the courage to rebuild that Labor had to find after Lathams loss.
That will be the reason Labor will govern much better and I assure you by federal election time a brand of NSW ALP government under Morris will have bought unhappy voters back to a good man governing well.
It is time right now for conservative Australians to demand an end to the brick wall of lies the likes of Joe Hockey insist on and a return to Liberal politics.
Australia needs a good opposition post election 2007.

Labor voters unhappy now thats real soft you should try p#ssed had enough expect heads to role.

Now regards to country link being sold off speak to the workers

Those in the know know about if.
What i khave know for 6 months.

What a mate said to me yesterday the unions should get on with doing union stuff looking after the workers and get their heads out of the backsides off the alp.

If you dont understand that someone should be able to explain.

If i told you how i knew about country link many heads will roll, people will be sacked by the ALP, over this.

So belly you may take me as being aggressive thats ok
It is out of complete frustration and disolution that this has occured and Rudd well hes labor and labor is labor.

The Australian Peoples Party will be there, you may even see me around driving my car not with public money of course.
But i will be there.

www.tapp.org.au

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The marketing of Mr. Rudd – I must look strong, decisive, a man of vision, I need a vision? Broadband!

Commentators suggest Broadband infrastructure, will be provided by private enterprise, sooner rather than later.

The reality is that industry has been planning a roll out for years;

However the industry,understandably wants to negotiate legitimately, for a favorable government deal and hence legitimately lobbies it strongly.

Mr. Rudd, like you the industry understands that there is a dollar to be made.

Unfortunately for Mr. Rudd’s image, let alone the taxpayer, the inexperienced Mr. Rudd has fallen into there trap and accepted to fund private industry, which could cost us $4 Billion Dollars, in his hunt for a vision.

Mr Rudd's has no social , progressive vision, so he went shopping and bought what he thought was one.

Hmmm, does Brian Burke have clients in the communications industry?

Mr. Rudd should understand that limited consultation does not make him a strong leader he must start to consult widely with more experienced members of his party , before he commit’s billions of dollars.

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The marketing of Mr Rudd - heart and soul labor Vs soulless cold Rudd's 'Brand Labor' debated at National Conference.

It is suggested that Delegates will deliver to the ALP our most up-to-date National Platform.

And a fighting Platform for 'Brand Labor' and current brand leader Mr Rudd.

Mr Rudd's 'Brand Labor' new leadership team will be active participants in all debates and events to ensure that the important issues, pre negociated well before the confrence are achieved.

Detail on Labor’s policies such as the economy, climate change, industrial relations, health and education will be discussed.

Not debated, discussed.

Sadly proud Delegates are to be given front row seats to watch the heart and soul being ripped out of the Australian Labor Party, by the slippery, Mr Rudd and his "Brand of Labor'.

Starting with The Australian Labor Party becomming a pro nuclear Australia party, ironically based soley on an economic arguement.

The Conference will be an opportunity for delegates and observers to see 'Brand Labor’s' alternative policy vision, but not discuss it.

Mr Rudd look's certain to get his groups mandate through confrence.

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The marketing of Mr. Rudd – keep going, double standards are ok.

The removal of Sen. Santoro, from the federal parliamentary scene is good news for Australian voters.

The fact that it shines the spotlight on accountability and honesty on to our politicians is a positive result for Australian voters.

Unfortunately for Mr. Rudd and ‘Brand Labor’ they do not get the message.

Mr. Rudd doesn’t think honesty applies to him or ‘Brand Labor’.

Mr. Rudd’s less than upfront and honest version of past events, demonstrate ‘Mr. Rudd’s double standard and reinforce the questionable slippery character he is.

Mr. Rudd’s refusal to resign demonstrate ‘Brand Labor’ political culture, they are interested in accountability as long it’s not one of Labors politicians.

Commentators have often said that the Federal Parliament needs a watchdog to oversee corruption and impropriety, but this would not help solve the voters concern over Mr. Rudd’s honesty, as Mr. Rudd, showing contempt for voters has not provided an explanation to parliament as to how he came to be at the Brian Burke dinner.

Mr. Rudd is waiting it out, while the voters await the time Mr. Rudd’s dishonesty will see him hounded from office.

Labor, a nuclear Australia, No, Labor, a dishonest Mr. Rudd, No.

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I want more from a politician.

Mr Rudd told the voters of NSW, dont throw out the Labor government, eventhough the NSW state is in a mess, because we are Labor.

Mr Rudd's cold 'Brand of Labor' is not Labor.

Mr Rudd's Nuclear Australia, because it stacks up economically is not Labor.

Mr Rudd's team member Mr Swan says, let the voter pic up the super top up, we wont, is not Labor

Mr Rudd tells the Australian Labor Party, we dont want a debate on Mr Cameron's proposal to challenge the current dog eat dog market driven philosophy, is not Labor

Mr Rudd's 'Brand of Labor' and Mr Rudd's questionable character, do not represent Labor.

Labor Mr Rudd's Nuclear Australia is not labor.

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Here again we see some one say if you do not think like me you are wrong.
It is endless in the debate about politics I think this and I am right.
Fact is each of us is not always right, how often however can we claim voters got it wrong and put no thought into how they voted?
Can we truly value our own opinions so much but give no value to the majority?
And Tapp your mate has spoken? so he has it right not the 2 million union members?
ALP/unions are one, the rat bag idea that unions drive the ALP is not true I wish sometimes it was.
It however will be put in John Howard's wheel barrow of lies and trucked out as a weapon to support workchoices and his lost election campaign to come.
After that election conservative Australia will know right now is the time for change in both leadership and direction.
But unless the internal debate starts now it will be far too late.
Concentrating on how bad you think the ALP is and ignoring the dreadful contributions to Liberal politics Howard has bought to every state party is folly of the silliest kind.
Let the debate breath conservative Australia.

Hey Belly if i could put this person on TV and radio I would
but the repocussions from labor and the unions would mean this person would be harrassed,abused, humiliated

2 million union members who are a servant to their master will do as they are told.

COUNTRY LINK IS BEING SOLD OFF

JOBS WILL BE LOST
TRAIN FARE WILL GO UP
COUNTRY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SCR#WED

So Belly I am not blind i see the full picture but you only see the Labor and Union Picture.

What a shame that you dont see the people.

Oh come to think about it I can make change
Whereas with you are stuck between Labor and the Unions.

When you get back to it remember it is the people that pay you to work for them not the other way round.

More about Country Link

well it seems country link will be going and if you travel by train to country areas enjoy the bus ride.

There we go loss of jobs
Buses higher ticket price

Well Labor does have something to pay for.

Tell the people what is in the interests of the people.

Oh Belly you should ask rail staff it seems to be common knowledge especially in Sydney.

So Belly how many jobs are going to be lost.

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he marketing of Mr. Rudd – I am religious I must have integrity.

But Mr Rudd, it is a two way street.

Mr. Rudd is proud, as he should be, and has often remarked on his religious beliefs.

Some commentators sugest that his faith adds to Mr Rudd’s integrity.

It should then be incumbent of Mr. Rudd, a role model for the many that share his religious beliefs to uphold its moral characteristics.

Mr. Rudd be upfront, show integrity.

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This post I think demonstrates Australias desperate political landscape, which allows Mr Rudd to slide his way through issues regarding accountability and integrity.

The marketing of Mr. Rudd – keep going, double standards are ok.

The removal of Sen. Santoro, from the federal parliamentary scene is good news for Australian voters.

The fact that it shines the spotlight on accountability and honesty on to our politicians is a positive result for Australian voters.

Unfortunately for Mr. Rudd and ‘Brand Labor’ they do not get the message.

Mr. Rudd doesn’t think honesty applies to him or ‘Brand Labor’.

Mr. Rudd’s less than upfront and honest version of past events, demonstrate ‘Mr. Rudd’s double standard and reinforce the questionable slippery character he is.

Mr. Rudd’s refusal to resign demonstrate ‘Brand Labor’ political culture, they are interested in accountability as long it’s not one of our 'Brand Labor' politicians.

Commentators have often said that the Federal Parliament needs a watchdog to oversee corruption and impropriety, but this would not help solve the voters concern over Mr. Rudd’s honesty, as Mr. Rudd, showing contempt for voters has not provided an explanation to parliament as to how he came to be at the Brian Burke dinner.

Mr. Rudd is waiting it out, while the voters await the time Mr. Rudd’s dishonesty will see him hounded from office.

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The marketing of Mr Rudd - you said toxic, right? ok, are you sure?

The national ALP confrence, and Brian and Sarah Burke.

Mr. Rudd was frantically gathering numbers to drive is cold “brand of labor’ through conference on the weekend.

Fortunately, Mr. Rudd did not need to ring around WA that had already being actively pursued and delivered

Mr. Rudd’s acquaintance Brian Burke would have already worked on that.

And Brian Burke’s daughter Sarah Burke as a voting Member of the National Executive will ensure her allegiances are looked after.

Mr Rudd's 'Brand of Labor' a Nuclear Australia, and Toxic Brian Burke, they go tegether.

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The marketing of Mr. Rudd - unfair dismissal, it can’t apply to me.

The selling out of the heart and soul of Labor by Mr. Rudd takes an interesting twist in the race for conference numbers.

Numbers at the Labor National Conference is the key to deliver Mr. Rudd his cold ' Brand of Labor', and make the ALP a pro nuclear party.

We know daughter of Brian Burke, Sarah Burke, a National Executive member, has provided Mr. Rudd with the soldiers on the ground to give him the numbers from Western Australia.

Now Mr. Rudd wants to influence the pre selection of an unaligned popular NSW Labor sitting member, Kelly Hoare, who holds the seat with an 8.4% majority.

Ms Hoare says she stands for Labor Party values and won’t be intimidated by Mr. Rudd, who needs the numbers of a faction aligned puppet to further his goal to hijack the party values.

Ms Hoare claims Mr. Rudd's influence to stop her pre selection, is clearly a case of unfair dismissal.

Mr. Rudd said he was not at all concerned at the possible unfair dismissal claim.

Mr. Rudd unfair dismissal should concern you, if you had any integrity.

Ms Hoare and many like her do not share your vision of a cold and heartless 'Brand of Labor'

Say no to a Nuclear Australia, say no to Mr. Rudd’s cold ‘Brand of Labor’.

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Kelly Hoare has that seat because it was passed to her by the last incumbent - her father.

There's a word for passing power down through bloodlines and it's not Democracy.

chainsmoker you can not debate with some people it is not worth the effort.
Now Tapp that cup of coffee it just can not wait mate!
Here is you first lesson in how to win votes.
You state both Labor and Liberal are on the way out so you have much ground to make up and not much time.
Rubbishing the other side while in fashion is not a policy and I doubt it brings more than a few to your team.
A government any form, has to govern as well as it can if selling the Sydney harbor bridge gave a better outcome for tax payers would you sell?
Harping constantly about the team most voters put in office for the last 12 years and just maybe the next is no policy.
See if you have contempt for the views of voters it shows~! and unless you are selling something they need sales will be slow.
Smile just every now and then and listen to what they think , voters I mean.
And those snipes at me and unions?
Weak mate! can you get your head around why we have 2 million members?
Why my party governs every state?
Winning, its good for your sole try attracting voters not making fun of them
What size are you? I have a free Morris election issue shirt only worn once but what a sweet once!

Belly

A government any form, has to govern as well as it can if selling the Sydney harbor bridge gave a better outcome for tax payers would you sell?

no but you would and make the peopleloses there public service jobs
higher costs, incompetent government,money going to mates

And those snipes at me and unions?
Weak mate! can you get your head around why we have 2 million members?

Yes thats easy if you want a job here you have to be a member of the union.
become a member or else

Why my party governs every state?
Winning, its good for your sole try attracting voters not making fun of them
What size are you? I have a free Morris election issue shirt only worn once but what a sweet once!

Why because the people have not had a good choice, a choice that gives choice and not do as you are told.
Why is it that it is ok for labor and the unions to give away lets say 25 thousand ralway jobs, and a public service and puts the money where.

this is also a big question where does labor put all this money it gets from selling off public utilities
which we then have job losses in the public sector
and lower wages

where does this go.
Wake up to yourself NSW election was no win no competition so what, we are already being scr#ewed.
Like i said my council have just put up rates hows your going.

Unions and labor for the people no
for themselves

Thanks Tapp, you are the only bloke in the world who spells worse than me.
A bloke in another forum showed this not great PC user how to down load spell check and even it can not always understand what I want to say.
Nothing much worth replying to in your post of two poor choices my side won!
That is about it we did you know win our 21 state elections in a row.
Voters considered, surely you understand they did think it out?
And voted for the best of two choices.
By mid April we will see evidence they did the right thing.
But the new leader the Libs are about to elect ,the bloke without the dead hand of John Howard on his shoulder.
He is the first of a new generation of good leaders around Australia.
Post the derailment of Howard's lost government conservatives will return to more Liberal leaders and policy's.
And only the life given in last Saturdays election and heaps of runs on the board will keep you out of government for say another 12 years?
Well lets say 16 it is about right.
Oh sorry nearly forgot, took it for granted you being a party leader that you would understand local government sets the rates states only sometimes let extra rates go ahead, then again the budgie smuggler would not have known would he?

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Three steps to hijack the ALP, while being knifed in the back.

Step 1 Attain Parliamentary Labor Party leadership.

Step 2 Develop policies that will guarantee the numbers and use the National Executive to persuade the Australian Labor Party, to hand over a valuable brand, the Labor brand to a small clique of politicians, with right wing ambitions, and take it to the Australian people.

Step 3 Obtain numbers by trading off values, doing deals with grass routes key stakeholders and lobbyists, whilst cultivating others.

Mr. Rudd took a slightly different route to get to the position he is in now. It is text book perfect.

Whilst understanding there would be leadership change in his party Mr. Rudd, started his long journey at Step 3, moved to step 2, then ultimately Step 1.

It is at the Step 3 obtaining numbers at the grass routes by doing deals for a policy platform, not numbers for a challenge, which saw Mr. Edwards’s, introduce Mr. Burke to Mr. Rudd,

Mr Rudd would already have worked with Sarah Burke, as she is a key Executive Member of the Labor National Executive.

Brian Burke, the lobbyist described by WA Premier as ‘Toxic’ is a talented bloke, he was an ex Premier himself, and would have seen the benefit of, being a proud dad, and inform his prospective and current clients, ‘hey Yeh my daughter is on the ALP National Executive committee’ with Mr. Rudd.’.

And we know that Brian has the goosd in Western Australia.

Alannah MacTiernan WA Senior Labor Minister says the leaders of a handful of unions in WA control a large percentage of the votes in the executive conference.


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tapp

Interesting you mention the Sydney Harbour Bridge, an example of the Labor Party's record of being the infrastructure party.

It took a Labor party premier (Jack Lang) with vision to build it. It was opposed by right wing conservatives (The New Guard).

There is a comparison with today, when the right wing conservatives finally loose power (I suggest the conservatives may still control the senate after next election) in 2010, I fear that they will resort to the kind of terrorism we saw in the 1930's and remind you that the largest terror attack in the USA before 9/11 was committed by right wing christian conservatives.

The will of the people is paramount, they have spoken. How many votes did TAPP get in the NSW election? I suggest zero, the same amount they will get at the Federal election.

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The marketing of Mr. Rudd - integrity.

Mr. Rudd why bother to try and package a great idea which is a Liberal party idea as your own?

You tell us how fantastically Green you are, yet you are Pro Nuclear.

You lead us to believe that you have come up with this idea, then we find out it’s actually a Lib idea.

You announce it as your own on the strength of a deceitful argument that the Libs policy, which has already been extended to this years finnancial end.

Mr. Rudd Says...” But we do think it’s a practical form of assistance and we put this forward because the Government has not indicated that it will be continuing its own photovoltaic rebate scheme beyond June 2007.

Mr. Rudd the Budget is in May, thats when you will hear about the the Governments solar programme rebate scheme.

Are you so inexperienced in matters of Government.

Or just lacking integrity?

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The marketing of Mr. Rudd - its not easy arguing the unarguable.

This is what Mr. Rudd says why he accepts that you can rip up forests of immense natural beauty hundreds of years old providing vital eco systems for flora and fauna in 2007 with a backdrop of climate change awareness, just for votes in Tasmania.

RUDD: Oh, no, look, when it comes to forest policy, we believe in a balanced approach. We want to make sure that there are appropriate conservation levels right across the country. And forests are important for the future. It’s all part of the fabric of an integrated response to climate change"

Yeh right Mr. Rudd you have sold us out, again.

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Perthguynic lets talk I do not know why but I feel the need to say a few things to you.
So you think Rudd is a traitor? something like a conservative plant?
Ever driven large Lorry's? just an idea some put those pills in strange places.
Can we agree we elect our governments? and it takes most voters to get them across the line?
Some days the self interest is so thick in Australia it like a fog, few sadly care about others any more.
And self interest wins most days , do you think workers who have fought to get a home and maybe a boat are about to call for a communist take over? ever?
To be elected Labor must not stray into a different paddock than the voters, surely that is clear?
To shame and blame Labor for this is madness, to ignore the dreadful workchoices chains around workers and unionists is too.
Workers need to unite as never before get involved in the your rights at work campaign and remove our prime minister John Howard's wife.
Your contributions are nothing less than betrayal of Australian workers.
At the end of this fight the biggest workers and the community ever fought in my lifetime we will taste victory.
Some at that time , the next election night ,will invent a place in our fight they never had.
Its not just a workers fight it is a fight for an Aussie fair go mate!

Federal Labor is basicly the same party that premoted Mark Latham as the new messiah.What sort of judgement nearly saddled us all with an absolute nutter of monumental proportions? All of a sudden Labor is transformed because of the presence one man,one Kevin Rudd?Not Likely.

I'm more concerned about no talent time at the hands of Rudd's duds who will push their own agendas of higher taxation and bloated bureaucracies that will make us all slaves to the Public Service Aristocracy.

The States took the GST and grew their Public Service jobs for the boys and we have fewer services and infrastructure. Will Kevin Rudd live up to his name of Dr Death and bring the Public Service to heal?

Kevin is a man whose ideas are too radical for socialist Labor and Kevin will be the sugar coating by which the likes of Garrett and Gillard will bring us all asunder.

Ajay thanks for your post, it to me highlights the conservative plan get the man not the policy.
And a smell of fear is in the air, states? well hardly old mate can issue you can use for conservative weaponry.
You did run second in a 2 horse race mate! 21 outings 21 defeats, and like it or not voters agree with me.
Kevin Rudd leads a far different ALP than team of idiots that allowed Simon Crean to pass his spite filled support to Latham.
What a dreadful pair of air wasters!
And I will forever be content to hold that view.
Kevin is in no way like them, and once in office will lead us well.
Conservative Australia must soon start to address its problems not manufacture ones for the ALP.
Do you think the money about to be sent to Asia to stop tree felling is well spent? will it all be spent on trees?
Would Australia benefit more from spending it here using recycled water to grow usable forests in our own country first?
Do you think the current union bosses tactic overlooks the very Strong unions that control Howard?
Conservatives in growing numbers are saying they will vote ALP in the upper house can you not see the miss use of a mandate?
We can do far better in Australia than this personality campaign I am sure we can .
And after this train wreck Howard is intent on conservatives will share my views.
Kevin Rudd's brand Labor is more middle Australia than Howard cares to see.

Today,Mr Rudd is not my type of leader.
I believed all the hype about being a good honest Christian.
His credibility was shot when asked by 3AW radio host Neil Mitchell ,who did you meet at the cosy gathering of WA Inc.with Brian Burke.
On the Mitchell show,he had "Carmen Lawrance " memory loss.
He could not remember the name of anyone who attended the meeting except Brian Burke.
Rudd could not remember if he sat next to him or not.
Rudd then told Mitchell he could not remember who he sat next to.
With this appalling memory how can any Australian vote for him as PM.
I believe that Ms Gillard could become PM if given a chance.
Rudd will never beat Howard.

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Mr. Rudd has excused his contact with Brian Burke, nic named ‘Toxic’ by Alan Carpenter, WA State Labor Leader, by suggesting he was not aware of the issues around Brian Burke.

Yet sitting next to Mr. Rudd on the National Executive of the Labor Party, is Brian Burkes daughter, Ms Sarah Burke.

Ms Burke is a key senior Labor Party Executive on council and has worked hard and deserves her post.

Mr. Rudd was not up front to us the voter concerning his dealings with Mr. Burke, and claimed mud slinging as a defence.

Mr. Rudd, was gaining an insight into the needs of the grass routes stakeholders for his party’s policy framework to ultimately deliver the stakeholders a platform they would accept leading to guaranteed numbers at the National Executive, which saw Mr. Edwards’s, introduce Mr. Burke to Mr. Rudd.

Mudsling can often backfire - when the story unfolds.

Senior Western Australian Government Minister Alannah MacTiernan says the leaders of a handful of unions in WA control a large percentage of the votes in the executive conference

It was revealed in the CCC that WA Labor sitting member Ms Archer, wife of Kevin Reynolds, gave assistance to Mr. Burke when he was lobbying for a pearl producer.

Mr. Reynolds is a close friend of Brian Burke.

Shelley Archer, the WA Upper House Labor MP has described Brian Burke as a mentor and a very good friend.

The Premier said if she were a minister, he would have sacked her. Instead, he removed her from two parliamentary committees.

Mr. Rudd, Brian Burke's mates are all over your 'Brand of Labor' The conference will show it.

Mud slinging or a demand to keep accountability in Politics?

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Mr Rudd soon you wont have to say anthing else on the Brian Burke affair.

The tapped phone conversation intercepted by the Western Australian Corruption and Crime Commission.

Between Mr Rudd and Mr Burke will say it for you.

Mr Rudd you work with Brian Burkes daughter.

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The anti Rudd thoughts in this thread do not all come from conservatives.
A close look and re read will confirm some very far left posters are concerned that Kevin Rudd might just lead Labor to power.
And that he may govern well.
The Brian Burk affair while it should not have taken place is no longer of much interest even to Conservatives.
Polls appear to show it is of little interest to voters.
And compared to the massive number of lies lay ed at the feet of Howard and his cabinet they should be of little interest.
Workchoices you would think has to be the enemy of fair minded Australians.
I expect all from left of center to understand the real pain it inflicts on lower income workers now and all who work if Howard is re elected.
Yet if you read the debate you will find hope that workers may rise up and fight for what?
A nightmare of communism or radical Socialism, I would fear that as much as another 2 terms of John Howard.
But it is of course a dream, the chances of it EVER happening are about the same as me winning lotto without a ticket.
Another poster says Gillard should be leader, while Julia is doing a great job and will continue to grow in her portfolio she will never lead the party.
Has the poster any understanding of how the party works?
And can the poster understand why we are currently doing so well in the polls?
Kevin Rudd is showing he is no man to fear after he becomes Prime Minister.
I doubt if we right now have another in the party who could get those poll and election results.
While I expect conservatives to lie and use dirty tactics it is strange knowing the pain workchoices has inflicted to find anyone from the left who thinks it is secondary to hurting Labor
Some great ideas come from the left but the extreme left is no less a danger to working Australians than John Howard.

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Can you tell me what Rudd is supposed to have done wrong? Other than being at a dinner with Burke.

Was he trying to get support for a leadership challenge? Spectacularly unsuccessful if he was.

As an opposition shadow minister he had no influence on Govt. policy.

As a Queenslander he had no influence on WA state politics.

So what are you saying he did?

Given that the next election will be decided in Qld and NSW the mood of the voters of WA is irrelevant, I'm sorry the rest of us have moved on from Burke.

Guilt by association may be OK in your mind, not in mine.

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Mr. Rudd was not up front to us the voter concerning his dealings with Mr. Burke, and claimed mud slinging as a defence.

Mr. Rudd, was gaining an insight into the needs of the grass routes stakeholders for his party’s policy framework to ultimately deliver the stakeholders a platform they would accept leading to guaranteed numbers at the National Executive, which saw Mr. Edwards’s, introduce Mr. Burke to Mr. Rudd. Not numbers for a challenge to Mr. Beazley.

Mudsling can often backfire - when the story unfolds.

Senior Western Australian Government Minister Alannah MacTiernan says the leaders of a handful of unions in WA control a large percentage of the votes in the executive conference

That is the reason I think Mr. Rudd is not my choice to lead our party.

Mr. Rudd, pro nuclear

Mr. Rudd, pro logging Tasmania’s old growth forests

Mr. Rudd, no to providing 6% super top up

Mr. Rudd, stopping debate of Mr. Cameron’s equity social policy

Mr. Rudd, having decided to show contempt for the Aussie voter, by not being up front as to how he came to be at that dinner in Perth, I was staying with a mate and he asked me to come along to this dinner and not wanting to appear rude, I went. Yeh Right.

Mr. Rudd knew about Brian Burke, he had been working with Burke’s daughter at the time.

By Mr. Rudd thinking he had a potential problem, he then showed his character, he was evasive and not upfront.

His character shows a lack of integrity and honesty in the Brian Burke affair.

Now Mr. Rudd is asking us to believe in him.

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Now Mr. Rudd is asking us to believe in him.

The question of GST is important here.

If Mr. Rudd becomes PM we will have all states being Labor and federal being Labor.

If Mr. Rudd wants to increase taxes, the GST, he rings around his state mates, asks for their agreement, and we have an increase in tax, increase in the GST.

So Mr. Rudd's character is important if he wants us to believe him.

So far Mr. Rudd has failed the honesty test and he is not even in office.

Polls suggest 66% of Mr. Rudd's supporters believe Mr. Rudd was not up front with his Burke dealings.

So the majority of Mr. Rudd’s supporters are giving Mr. Rudd the message that, it's ok we know you haven’t got integrity but we will vote for you.

We are to blame when taxes rise, the GST rises, because we expect it of Mr. Rudd not to have integrity.

I want a better politician from my party.

I want a politician representing Labor that says it is not right to lie to the voters and treat them with contempt because the other party does it.

The Brian Burke affair could have been stopped in its tracks if Mr. Rudd chose to be up front, but he chose not to.

Mr. Rudd saying he did not know about the Burke issues is unlikely, as was and still is working with Brian Burke’s daughter.

Mr. Rudd soon will not have to say anything else on the Burke affair as the Corruption and Crime Commission, will be releasing an intercepted telephone call between Mr. Rudd and Brian Burke that should provide the information to the voter concerning Mr. Rudd's character.

That’s why it is important.

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If the CCC releases a tape between Rudd and Burke (if there is one which I doubt) it will be breaking the law and its terms of reference. The CCC can investigate all State Government departments and local government authorities.

Since Rudd is neither, your assertion is rubbish.

The CCC warns "This information is communicated to you pursuant to section 67 of the Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Act 1979 (Cwth). It is only to be used for the Commission's permitted purpose, that is the fair and accurate reporting of evidence given at Commission public hearings and not otherwise. Any further dealing with the information, including copying, may be regulated by the Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Act 1979 and recipients of information should be aware of the provisions of that Act."

Would you rather Rudd backed the looney left and that Labor stay in opposition forever?

I like to laugh a lot sometimes, and sometimes my posts may get a bit to up front.I try truly never to insult just for the sake of it true.
But perthguynic I mate do not believe you, no phone conversation is likely to have taken place between Rudd and Burk.
Burk was a party numbers man who used his ALP ties to make a quid, sometimes sailing too close to the wind.
He is no mate of mine, but have you heard the saying a few bricks short of the pallet?
Am I wrong in saying your posts seem to point at you being from the very left?
Is your major concern that Labor is shifting to far right?
Do you agree Labor can only change anything from government?
Do you hold hopes that another term of John Howard may turn workers into idiots? sorry communists?
Rudd is the best chance Labor and Australia has had to undo the work of the H R Nichols society and at least 5 other right wing conservative groups who have far more power than every union combined in this country.
And they use it far more illegally than any union and the grub Burk has or could.
Stop the disjointed posts and lay your cards on the table.
Here is my path in life , a member of Labor and a trade unionist I want Labor to govern well for 3 terms to undo workchoices.
One day under a new untainted name I would like to see a new socialism a hand up not a hand out.
And last? till I die I will fight extremism like yours.
Oh I am a trade union official on my shirt pocket it says under my name *if I ever let you down remind me I am worthless*
Are you perthguynic letting your side down?

Belly ,I judge a party by it's depth of talent.The success of Australia will not be determined by Peter Garrett head thumping music populism.Kevin Rudd is articulate and has the gift of the gab.Can you name at least four in Rudd's front bench who have the intellect and credibility of Brendon Nelson,Peter Costello,Malcolm Turnbull,Philip Ruddock,Tony Abbott or heaven forbid Alexander Downer who looks and sounds like a pontificating gay Mumbles in the Elliot Ness cartoons.Downer has done a good job regardless of my prejudgices.

Name some talent Belly ,other than Rudd who will have a big say in the next Labor Govt.

Gday Ajay how is it going? if I could name 5 front bench ALP people to match your list I would vote green maybe informal, or God forbid family first.
You highlight a problem for your team not one of them is worth feeding.
My often used term the dirty half dozen includes each of them.
No talent? government bound, and I am content to wait for polling 6 months after our election to support my stance.
Labor will govern well.

Arjay

"Can you name at least four in Rudd's front bench who have the intellect and credibility of Brendon Nelson,Peter Costello,Malcolm Turnbull,Philip Ruddock,Tony Abbott or heaven forbid Alexander Downer"

No sorry I can't. I can name many, who have significantly more intellect, as for credibility it is hard to compete when those you mention have zero. :)

I will never understand but people expect a trade union official to have made up his/her mind to vote ALP without thought.
It is my honestly held view John Howard has damaged my country in far more ways than the infamous workchoices.
While I supported the Iraq war I was wrong, and so too was Howard.
This war will displace millions and stretch the wests ability to house more refugees than we care to think of.
Partisan supporters may reject it but the AWB scandal is already doing more harm to Australian farmers than they care to admit.
In time, if it takes 100 years the true folly and dreadful support in full knowledge of some in government of this will come out.
Boat people? well this is a hot issue, and I will not hide from it I will never except economic refugees arriving on our coasts.
Like it or not nor will most Australians.
Can the conservatives excuse the children over board issue?
Or the kids in dentition of shore?
Can we say it was ok for a runaway immigration department to send Australians of shore?
Workchoices, some real money was spent on investigating some unions, why no charges?
The lies continue an American way of politics that Australians reject, but it continues.
Now I am pro America, Al Gore could be the best leader the free world ever had, but republicans have much to answer for.
See a unionist but for the most part I think like most Australians
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This is no full list of the things that offend me or even frighten me about our federal government.
It could be so very long but test me, read the business council of Australia and other bosses unions web pages read what you can find about the H R Nicol's society.
Read information to employers on how to get the best out of workchoices.
Know for every good boss ,we have many more of them than you think, a grub uses workchoices to thieve his/her work.
Ask after you have done so why we focus on unions but not the real strength behind John Howard?
I vote ALP for better government, I understand my side will have rabbits in government seats just as Howard has.
I even think it will be more like new Labor than old Labor.
I will not inflict Howard on Australia because every thing I want is not on offer.
So many think they have to have the party they want only, every t crossed every i dotted but reality is no party can be all things to all men.
These first victims of workchoices are mostly not unionist, truth is as low income earners they just can not afford to pay union dues.
One day the movement may understand much lower fees for these folk will see numbers rise.
Are your kids working today? without overtime? overtime that was paid once that saw Sundays paid at about $9 and is now less than $7?
Australia needs a new direction if our future demands some are forever low income earners we have lost the Aussie fair go.
Watch Howard's dirty half dozen blitz us with lies and fear but change is a must, the blitz proves it.

Steve Madden;Kevin Rudd is currently looking for more talent which probably proves my point.Federal Labor is suffering "no talent time" much like many of our State Liberal Govts.Change isn't going to happen over night.Peter Garrett looks way out of his depth and Julia Gillard seems to be more concerned about her hair presentation.

There are two important qualities of good Govt,good judgement and the courage to do what you know will benefit the majority Australians in the long run.I think IR reform was absolutely necessary but the detail and fairness lacked clarity and planning.It will come back to bite the Coalition at the next election.

Ajay some of what you say is how I think but you draw a long bow with the no talent jib.
Julia Gillard has a background in her portfolio that is unbeatable we do need to promote from our existing back bench.
And our return to office will fill the talent bag to the top.
Workchoices? well yes we did need change in IR the bellows that will come from my side now!
BUT not this insulting thing an object of Howard's hate for unions workchoices.
Your side of politics will suffer for generations because of Johny's miss use of a mandate that clearly never included workchoices.
Wait just a little while after the ALP national conference a workable IR system will be on the table.
John Howard Sir, once even I thought you had a handle on how Australians think, but do you understand the victims of workchoices are our kids? our grand kids?
And those who have no skills? do you know as I do a hand full who left school early to feed brothers and sisters?
Who are unskilled but work without even one day sick in ten years?
Now working on AWAs for less than 12 months and a week ago?
Poor people are not your enemy's mate! you are said to love the battlers? is that why you create so many more of them?
I if Howard's cabinet is full of talent I would much prefer integrity.
One last point from your post mark Wednesday in your diary in NSW the Liberal party returns to Liberalism, the first in every state.
Only good government can keep the government in power in NSW.
And I think it will do much better.

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Belly, I respect your views.

I mantain the Mr Rudd has done to many deals to get into prower that will not help our cause, because he will become hamstrung, by appealing to big business in his policy in faer of appearing too left leaving the ALP being a Pro Nuclear right wing party.

Voters will be annoyed and I dont think a 2nd term is an option.

Unions should be equal in partnership with the ALP not dogs being thrown scraps.

The Australian Labor Party, in particular Mr Rudd should be proud of the union movement in our country.

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Belly,

Look at what you say we should support.

Part one.

Mr. Rudd’s, official reason for not doing any hard interviews is because he must wait till the National Executive, which includes Mr. Rudd's workmate Ms Burke, to ratify Mr. Rudd’s Platform.

The real reason is somewhat murky.
Mr. Rudd cant talk pubic ally because he cant let the grass roots of the party know how right wing his 'Brand of Labor' actually is, he as the numbers at the Executive Conference, and is waiting now for it to ratify his agendas he hast to shut up till then.

Remember that Mr. Rudd has been doing deals across the country to put together a platform, even during the Beazley time, this is why Mr. Rudd was introduced by ex WA State Politician Mr. Edwards, who was fully aware of Brian Burke’s history, as Mr. Edwards was in State Government during WA Inc days, to Mr. Burke.

It is unreasonable to believe, Mr. Edwards did not brief Mr. Rudd on Brian Burke. Mr. Ruddy works with Brian Burke’s daughter, and Ms. Burke was also at that dinner in Perth.

Unfortunately for the Australian Labor Party Mr. Rudd has traded too much away to the business end of town in order to satisfy his personal ambition to be PM, leading to the development of a cold soulless right wing agenda party platform.

belly,

Part two.

Unfortunately for the Australian Labor Party Mr. Rudd has traded too much away to the business end of town in order to satisfy his personal ambition to be PM, leading to the development of a cold soulless right wing agenda party platform.

The Australian Labor Party, seam’s to have been sold and accepted the line that, its ok mate we will treat you like 'Patsy's' but we will look after you later, trust me, so in effect the unions have been cornered into accepting Mr. Rudd's cold hearted, 'Brand of Labor'. No gaurentee but Mr. Rudd’s and Mr. Swan’s word, good greif.

Mr. Rudd persuaded the Unions that they are a burden to Mr. Rudd’s chance to be elected, that the unions are unpopular, persuading further the unions to accept and believe Mr. Rudd is doing us a favor, a Master Slave relationship.

The heartbreaking result seam’s to be that the deals Mr. Rudd has conducted with the likes of Brian Burke, and his crew, who hold a huge block of votes on the National Executive, and his grass roots aggressive lobbying style which seems to boil down to trust me, I hate those b@#$%^& too, is that we are left with a once Proud Great Australian Labor Party which value social progressive policy, destroyed.

ALP, Pro nuclear, Neve

Yeah we know how labor is
we know how liberals are

We know rudd has only say so on policies with will come out after the conferance to say yes or know.

Thats why The Australian Peoples party is here.

And i will P#ss on on your ground and stamp out yor dictatorship. It wont happen this election but have the next one, also the state elections.

It is so suprising how the media enjoys the labor and liberal party's with brainwashing tactics. Would be good to see other political party's discussed but we dont have the money like the big 2

Rudd he may get in but i will give him a hard time and make him accountable.

No to extending uranium mines
No to uranium powered power stations.

Yes to cutting pollies perks.
Yes to cutting pollies public superanuation contribution.
Yes to freedom of choice

This party is still after members and candidates.

www.tapp.org.au

Tapp you go close to declaring war but I can assure you Labor once in office will see more than 2 terms.
And that your party if it stands will not ever get 10% of total votes, if they do I will be your slave for life!
If you live to stand in 100 elections federal and state you will never hold a seat bet on it.
perthguynic for once your post makes more since than some others.
But you need to understand you are out of touch with mainstream Australia.
A party shaped in your terms would face worse results than Mark Latham gave us.
The best and only chance those in true need have is from todays ALP not a dream party out of our past.
It is worth noting those dream teams mostly lost.
Rudd will return us to power and govern well ,surely a massive improvement on Howard.

Tapp ,this is not very smart thinking.If we cut all the benefits and pay peanuts to pollies, we will get Bonobos.

All we have to do is start a movement that will eventually remove the state Govts from power.Secondly change the whole culture of the Public Service to accountability,reward good management and frugality.

It is not a complex equation,all it takes is courage and planning.

arjay remove the state governments? can that be because Labor holds the respect of voters?
Surely the fact of those 21 losses is proof?
And are you not aware yesterdays removal of the elitist twit in NSW started your side back to government? in say 12 years?
Now you are on to something with you anti public servants thing, bet you never thought I would say that.
But rather than sell of or contract out our government owned things we should turn it upside down.
Contract out every management position above Foreman.
Public service is no way to describe what the nongs do.
Before my side gets into me I worked for 22 years watching third grade performers blame lack of results on first grade workers who,s hands and feet had been tied by useless public servants.
Tapp about 88% at worst Australians vote for the 2 sides you hate!

No Arjay

What you get is people who are there to represent you not people there for their own pocket.

What you get is people who have the sense to act in the interests of the people and australia and not just some 2 bit pollie party agenda.

We already have monkeys in government as they do as they are told so its time to save waste and get real people doing the job.

There is enough consultants looking after these monkeys now so a pay cut and real people is not going to make a difference except p#ss of those who are worried about a perks cut.

This money can be better spent on services to those that really need it.

www.tapp.org.au

Also forgot immediate halt to immigration

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The marketing of Kevin Rudd - Evolution into Labor.

Kevin Rudd has demonstrated recently that a day in politics is a long time but a week is definately a significantly long time.

The benefit derived from time is experience, and to a leader like Kevin Rudd adds greatly to his credentials for office.

As we know leadership contains an amalgam of qualities, to practice some over the other leads to a distortion of the trueness of a great leader leading ultimately to a leader with no followers.

Kevin Rudd understands this; he often says that it is always important to get the balance right.

I understand Kevin Rudd is practicing the importance of the right balance; it becomes increasingly clear by the positive statements by both Business and Union leaders concerning their negotiations with Kevin and his team.

Kevin Rudd and Labor, with partners in the Business and Union community will prove to be a formidable opponent to Mr. Howard and the Liberal Party come the November elections.

You gotta love evolution.

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The marketing of Kevin Rudd - Evolution into Labor.

Politics is a strange game, its all about the numbers.

Tonight I confidently suggest, that Kevin Rudd is heading in the right direction.

I understand that the wayward pro nuc policy will not be passed at conference.

The unions have been treated equally in this regard.

It is still unclear weather the IR direction is properley balanced, but there is hope.

Kevin Rudd eveloutin to Labor, welcome aboard.

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The Marketing of Kevin Rudd – Evolution to a Labor Leader. - Polling.

Today saw another poll, in the battle of Australia's votes for our hearts and minds, published.

I have said previously that polling in general is a tool to support a certain message, and that for all purpose the voter should only look towards individual private party polling, to get a real idea as to the state of play.

Of course the rider is that Private Party Polling must have integrity to the party's need for quality information.

It is during private party polling that the party can test out its products acceptability to the consumer.
The result is tweaking of policy and message.

This of course is totally legitimate and healthy in the evolution process of policy formation and bargaining.

For example I welcome the “Coming back home to Labor "
Sentiment being made in Kevin Rudd's policy platform, to get the balance right.

So up, down this week next week, polls are only relevant when the paper they are written on are used as wrapping paper of a good old feed of fish and chips.

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Kevin Rudd has just announced that the States will have the final say on uranium mining.

I suggest that labor will dump its crazy 3 mines policy, leave it in the hands of state premiers and thus remove it as a federal election issue.

They will then be free to ask where Howard's 25 nuclear power plants will be built. The NIMBYs will then think twice about nuclear power. A nuclear power plant will never be built in Australia

Steve,

It still is a Federal Election issue, because Mr Rudd is still Pro Nuclear, and the Greens and other groups will see it as that.

By saying I will allow as many new uranium mines in Australia that the states want, doesnt make it a state issue.

Sorry Belly that was not well expressed.I meant to say that we should remove all State Govts and only have a two tiered system of Govt.We have too many pollies and bureaucrats.They are sucking the life blood out of this country.Small Govt is good Govt.

Mr Rudd sells out Labor.

4 April 2007

Today Mr Rudd and his 'Brand of Labor', through Ms Gillard, has publically stated that labor will keep the hated AWA's, for about 3 years as a transition.

Thanks Mr Rudd real heart and soul, NOT.

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AWA's made easy.

Lib = AWA's

Lab = AWA's + trust?

MR rudd's integrity is a problem boys.

Might as well stay where I am, we dont need a change of Government

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The marketing of Mr. Rudd - hhmmm... are you sure the Greens will support a Nuclear Australia.?

That’s a good question Mr. Rudd, The Greens are principled, and the nuclear issue was the catalyst for their birth worldwide.

Will they accept your opening the door to a Nuclear Australia?

Will The Greens take a principled stance which says we will not give preferences to any Party that promotes a Nuclear Australia, no matter what degree?

The greens can suffer a huge political price, similar to the Democrats and the GST.

Will the Labor Pro Nuclear Australia policy and Green preference flow be the Greens GST, and downfall?

Time will tell.

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The marketing of Mr. Rudd – balance and fairness in IR, I am the leader, balance is what I deem to be fair, not the Unions Movement.

After Mr. Rudd gained unwarranted support on the back of his support to abolish AWA’s from Australia’s IR landscape, he now wants the Australian voter to cop them for 3 more years if he is elected.

One of Labor’s biggest supporters is not being consulted with seriously on IR reform, Mr. Rudd and his ‘Brand of Labor’, the ACTU is not happy with this approach.

The union movement with its proud history of the protection of workers and their family’s rights are standing up to Mr. Rudd on their perception that Rudd has not delivered on getting the balance and fairness right in IR Reform.

Unions understand that there will be pressure to rubber stamp Mr. Rudd’s policy platform at conference in two weeks time, so they are legitimately asking to be consulted prior to the conference so that issues can be discussed and resolved.

Mr. Rudd and Mr. Swan are not keen to compromise on their right wing IR agenda because of ‘Brand Labor’s economic dogma, the market is supreme, which must subordinate any social policy concerns.

Mr. Rudd has underestimated the strength of passion of the union movement, in fact has gone so far recently to suggest that he has never been in the Union, that little lie was later qualified via Rudd’s spokesperson, the union movement is not reliant on the Labor Party for its existence, it relies on its adherence to its values of protecting and recognizing the importance of the individual working person and their family in the profit driven market economy.

Mr. Rudd engage the Australian Union Movement.

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Western Australia is about a decade behind the rest of the country, so I can understand why that John Howard fella remains popular in the West. After all, they only just got rid of Keating!

Poor Perthguynic. As a former resident of Perth, I can share his pain. Being trapped in that isolated backwater is indeed enough to send even the best of us around the bend. Nevertheless Dullsvilleguynic, your incessant ranting won't rectify a decade of complacency, short-sightedness and cynicism from the Howard Government.

The little dessicated coconut is indeed a master of mendacity. He bats solely for the big business end of town, but still manages to get away with feigning solidarity with the highly-geared battlers. He claims he is an old-fashioned social conservative, but yet launches a direct attack on working families with his neo-liberal IR reforms.

The self-proclaimed economic wunderkind, Mr. Fiscal Prudence himself, somewhere along the line decided to ignore Australia's Banana Republicesque current account deficit and ballooning foreign debt. Oh dear, the Coalition's "quarry and farm" economic policy isn't paying our way in the world and foreign creditors are demanding higher interest premiums. So much for low interest rates!

Knowing Howard, I'm confident we can expect more election surprises this year. Boat people are ideal bogeymen during an election campaign. Never mind the 140,000+ people pouring in every year under Howard's ever-so-quiet open door immigration policy. Climate change? Definitely no surprises there. The little coconut will keep putting the coal in COALition.

As K-Rudd summed up Howard:

"When it comes to what this prime minister is ultimately on about and what his ultimate objective is, it is those two words: 'Being there'. Not making a difference in the long-term, not making a difference in terms of how we produce a sustainable climate in the future, how we actually invest in the long-term prosperity of our economy by properly using the resources boom of today... No, it is simply Peter Sellers and Being There - being in Kirribilli and the Lodge and just being there. That is what guides the prime minister's modus operandi."

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The marketing of Mr. Rudd – as long as the States think I will fund them, I will get the credit

Prediction, following COAG 13 April 2007.

Mr. Rudd will announce $7 Billion for the States and Territories for their proposed, National Reform Agenda if he wins Government.

Mr. Rudd believes that he will work in harmony with the States and Territories, unlike Mr. Howard.

Tomorrow the Labor states and Territories will push for $ 7 billion funding for their 10 point NRA, while Mr. Howard will push for funding priorities in Australian Water Conservation and Rehabilitation.

The bottom line will be a unified State and Territory position, calling the Government a blocker to Federal, State and Territory harmony, whilst pointing to the future harmony under Mr. Rudd.

Remember harmony to the State and Territories in this case means $ 7 Billion Federal funding.

Mr. Rudd must therefore provide the $ 7 Billion funding in his party platform,, failure to do so would mean he obviously can’t provide harmony in Federal and State, Territories relations.

Mr. Rudd, the Devil is in the Detail, man.

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I'm back after a short break.

When I first posted this topic voters were unsure as to what was meant by Mr Rudd in connection to his 'Brand of Labor'.

Mr Rudd, Labor politician not well liked by his party was offered the party Leadership as an alternative to Mr Beazley.
Positive polling from the start gave him his parties mandate to establish his personal brand of politics, which is consevative as opposed to traditional Labor.

Mr Rudd heads a Party, and made it Consevative.

The anticipated result will leave the voter confused, they like the brand, being buying it for years, but it tastes strange, i'm not sure I like it?

The problem Mr Rudd faces, is that the Voter wants the heart and soul of tradditional Labor, Mr Rudd's policies wont reflect that desire ,alienating tradditional Labor Voters, that what they believe in is not what Mr Rudd's consevative Labor Party believe in, or is offering.

It will be telling.

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