I'm not a smoker, but I have always felt that the whole thing about smoking was just a smoke screen, [you like it], developed by the doctors, at a time when there was a lot of angst about the number of people doctors were killing. Just try to get one doctor to say another was wrong if you don't believe me.

Worked too, beautifully. The pack of do gooders who were sniffing around the doctors were distracted, thrown off the scent, & went off, howling like a pack of English fox hounds, after the tobacco companies.

Doctors combined kill so many more people than smoking, drink driving & other motor accidents combined, & the public were waking up to this. Now apart from the odd Patel, protected by the profession for as long as possible, before finally being chucked to the wolves, we have forgotten this.

Yep smoke [screens] works wonders.

Oh & Suse you're right, buses do have other uses. Apart from being used as mobile chicanes, to turn freeways into car parks, they are very good as artificial fishing reefs, when sunk in the right place.

Hasbeen <"Doctors combined kill so many more people than smoking, drink driving & other motor accidents combined,..."

Really?
Do you have stats for that wild statement Hasbeen?

While you are at it, make sure you have stats to show the numbers of people saved by doctors, and indeed what about the ones who would definitely have died if not for medical intervention?

Doctors and nurses do not hate smokers at all OUG.
In fact, all the diseases and illnesses caused by smoking actually keep many medical staff in a job - especially the Heart and Lung Physicians.

What they hate are the tobacco companies who peddle their toxic wares for money. They also hate the Government for continuing their support of these death companies because of the money they get from the taxes.

Some people have excused their smoking by saying they have to die of something, but who wants to spend the last years of their lives slowly choking to death, and sucking on oxygen tubing, and being tied to their house? Wouldn't you rather be active if you could?

You can carry on all you like about the effects of other addictions, like alcohol, but smoking is not safe at ANY level.

I think Hasbeen and OUG have lost the plot.
Few doubt the habit kills, even fewer OUG hate smokers.
I never met, other than a few pretentious females with little charm say they hate the smoker.
Smoke yes.
Suseonline it becomes clear, some posts are not meant to be balanced comment.
Thread deserved better subject will again be headlines after court challenge begins.

I say bring on the court cases Belly!

Me too Suse and if we lost? tax on the evil weed equal to twice its current price each year raise it.

mr bell's quote..""tax on the evil weed equal to twice its current price each year raise it.""'

soiunds a great way
to bring in the smokers party

if ya think juliars masters want that..think again

no mate instead they will declare war on fat people
diabetics,,,[who get costly blood cleaning every two days]
who collectivlt spend one fith's the medical bughet

and drunks...
tax pubs using glass
put pretty discusting pictures on booze and lolly packets

present facts..that those sukking on gas...
are from smoking..not asbestus..or diesal fumes

thing is
IF A DOCTER signs a cause of death
there is no autopsies done

thus no real cause of death
but if you write death by smoking
heck you just might be getting away with murder

and at a very minimum
stop a huge law suit..for bad doctering

noting death by adverse reaction..to PERSRIBED drugs

is the cause..of 1 in 100 hospital admissions
[one in ten result in death]...count them as smoking deaths

run the numbers
addin docters opinion[bias]

there is ya 15,000...
*ATTRIBUTABLE...to smoking

lets have an inquiry
into cause of deaths

the power mad docters
are as bad as lawyers..and bankers