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What's In Cigarette Smoke?

Cigarette smoke contains over 4,000 chemicals, including 43 known cancer-causing (carcinogenic) compounds and 400 other toxins. These include nicotine, tar, and carbon monoxide, as well as formaldehyde, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide, arsenic, and DDT.

For the first time, an American tobacco company has begun listing long-secret ingredients contained in its cigarettes directly on the label. Yesterday, Liggett Group Inc. introduced cartons that the company plans to begin using that list the ingredients in its L&M cigarettes, including molasses, phenylacetic acid and the oil of the East Indian mint called patchouli. The move comes as the state of Massachusetts is trying to compel disclosure of all ingredients by all cigarette makers, an effort that other major tobacco companies are fighting.

Liggett, which broke with the industry by signing the first settlements ever with states and private attorneys suing it, supports the Massachusetts effort as well. "Liggett believes that its adult consumers have a right to full disclosure," Liggett head Bennett S. LeBow said in a statement. Along with blended tobacco and water, the 26-item L&M list includes high fructose corn syrup, sugar, natural and artificial licorice flavor, menthol, artificial milk chocolate and natural chocolate flavor, valerian root extract, molasses and vanilla extracts, and cedarwood oil. Less familiar additives include glycerol, propylene glycol, isovaleric acid, hexanoic acid and 3-methylpentanoic acid.

Some 600 ingredients are used in American cigarettes, but a Liggett spokesman said the L&M statement was a "quite exhaustive list" of every ingredient used in that brand.

The companies have provided lists of ingredients to the federal Department of Health and Human Services for more than a decade, but government officials are legally not allowed to release the information. The industry also presented a composite list of 599 additives to congressional investigators in 1994, but that was never officially made public.

David Remes, an attorney who represents the four other tobacco companies challenging the state of Massachusetts, said the case comes down to the industry's right to protect its trade secrets.

REF:http://www.quitsmokingsupport.com/whatsinit.htm
Posted by pepper, Sunday, 11 December 2011 6:20:34 PM
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Yes Pepper, people are so dumb, paying for cigarettes.

When all you have to do is follow one of those badly tuned Brisbane buses for a kilometer or two, to pick up all the things in a cigarette, & a few more, why do people pay for them.

You've got to feel sorry for those who live so far from public transport they can't get a daily fix, perhaps we could bottle those exhaust gasses, & ship them around the state, but only to the underprivileged of course.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 12 December 2011 10:06:09 AM
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Hasbeen, buses obviously have other uses, although they could certainly be cleaner, whereas cigarettes are only used as methods to create addiction and make money for tobacco companies.

...and to cause cancer, heart disease and lung diseases, just to name a few.

It is time to ban cigarettes altogether, because there is NO safe smoking level.
Posted by Suseonline, Monday, 12 December 2011 12:51:14 PM
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Pepper I looked in this morning.
A well informed and put together thread.
I had an anti smoking thread here not long ago.
So put together a contribution then my server dropped out.
Came back around lunch.
Saw Hasbeens in put, shook my head and went away to think.
What was that about?
Are you Hasbeen expressing dislike for the subject/support for big tobacco?
Not even close to understanding.
My thread saw both well informed support for banning/stopping smoking.
Accusations of Nanny State laws and denial, smoking kills no one.
Well as near as I can judge its been thirty years.
But I was a walking Ashe tray.
I smoked cigarettes roll your own, in an attempt to cut down on both took up pipe smoking and fine quality Cigars.
A consort I went for the best finest imported pipe tobaccos cost much and swam in things like rum wine and, obviously the products you highlight.
I say thank to you for the information.
And this too,every food we eat has to have it contents available to us why not this ?
And even if my mate OUG does not like it this product kills and we should tax it out of existence.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 12 December 2011 4:37:59 PM
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Pepper, the systems feeds off its self........mate! thats business, and its just our way.

Pepper!...everything you and I use is under the systems your objecting to....and Iam with you some part of the way:)

Money has to be made!.....There is NO other way!...and the taxes that smoking makes, is......well.....I'll put a one....and...the zero's..goes as..........ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooootrillions of:)....sorry that you don't understand:)

I don't smoke myself"but I want to live longer"...but thats my call.....and thats business:)

Yes it kills people...but so is drinking driving, and most do that too").....bad people.

The only clue that I will give, is:)....'I will notice everything on this planet to the best of my knowledge:)

Friend....if you want freedom....you should know whats bad for you, and whast not for you as a person that knows, thats a fact of our system.

So the games begin:)

Sheep people!......are you one of them?

CACTUS
Posted by Cactus..2, Monday, 12 December 2011 4:40:40 PM
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its ok to hate smokers
any sex anmy race ..any faith
yep hate smokers..lie to em...make them feel guilt blame shame

its ok..its all for their own good right?

we put up with biased bile like this threat
'''because there is NO safe smoking level.""'

so former smokers die at the same rateas smopkers
non smokers die of the same ratio's

in short the numbers for smoking and non smoking are the same

yet by clever statistical lies...all lung cancers are smokers
all costs..taxes..income etc is included in the SOCIAL COST
when the medical REAL cost is 800 million..[not 30 billion]

one smoke can kill?
think on that lie..!

one bottle of booze sure
or 7 bottles of water sure
taking all ya perscribed drugs sure

but one smoke..!
comeon even racists arnt that blind

bah...its about a nanny state..telling you stink
we dont work for you..we can tax you to death

then say the streess didnt kill ya
our bile lies didnt kill ya
your guilt dint kill ya

one smoke did
i laugh at your ignorance

get a life
worry about ya boozers
and banker bailouts..and the 2020 solution[maybe]
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 8:50:50 AM
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I'm not a smoker, but I have always felt that the whole thing about smoking was just a smoke screen, [you like it], developed by the doctors, at a time when there was a lot of angst about the number of people doctors were killing. Just try to get one doctor to say another was wrong if you don't believe me.

Worked too, beautifully. The pack of do gooders who were sniffing around the doctors were distracted, thrown off the scent, & went off, howling like a pack of English fox hounds, after the tobacco companies.

Doctors combined kill so many more people than smoking, drink driving & other motor accidents combined, & the public were waking up to this. Now apart from the odd Patel, protected by the profession for as long as possible, before finally being chucked to the wolves, we have forgotten this.

Yep smoke [screens] works wonders.

Oh & Suse you're right, buses do have other uses. Apart from being used as mobile chicanes, to turn freeways into car parks, they are very good as artificial fishing reefs, when sunk in the right place.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 9:39:15 AM
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Hasbeen <"Doctors combined kill so many more people than smoking, drink driving & other motor accidents combined,..."

Really?
Do you have stats for that wild statement Hasbeen?

While you are at it, make sure you have stats to show the numbers of people saved by doctors, and indeed what about the ones who would definitely have died if not for medical intervention?

Doctors and nurses do not hate smokers at all OUG.
In fact, all the diseases and illnesses caused by smoking actually keep many medical staff in a job - especially the Heart and Lung Physicians.

What they hate are the tobacco companies who peddle their toxic wares for money. They also hate the Government for continuing their support of these death companies because of the money they get from the taxes.

Some people have excused their smoking by saying they have to die of something, but who wants to spend the last years of their lives slowly choking to death, and sucking on oxygen tubing, and being tied to their house? Wouldn't you rather be active if you could?

You can carry on all you like about the effects of other addictions, like alcohol, but smoking is not safe at ANY level.
Posted by Suseonline, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 1:51:47 PM
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I think Hasbeen and OUG have lost the plot.
Few doubt the habit kills, even fewer OUG hate smokers.
I never met, other than a few pretentious females with little charm say they hate the smoker.
Smoke yes.
Suseonline it becomes clear, some posts are not meant to be balanced comment.
Thread deserved better subject will again be headlines after court challenge begins.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 5:17:51 PM
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I say bring on the court cases Belly!
Posted by Suseonline, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 11:15:06 PM
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Me too Suse and if we lost? tax on the evil weed equal to twice its current price each year raise it.
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 5:07:36 AM
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mr bell's quote..""tax on the evil weed equal to twice its current price each year raise it.""'

soiunds a great way
to bring in the smokers party

if ya think juliars masters want that..think again

no mate instead they will declare war on fat people
diabetics,,,[who get costly blood cleaning every two days]
who collectivlt spend one fith's the medical bughet

and drunks...
tax pubs using glass
put pretty discusting pictures on booze and lolly packets

present facts..that those sukking on gas...
are from smoking..not asbestus..or diesal fumes

thing is
IF A DOCTER signs a cause of death
there is no autopsies done

thus no real cause of death
but if you write death by smoking
heck you just might be getting away with murder

and at a very minimum
stop a huge law suit..for bad doctering

noting death by adverse reaction..to PERSRIBED drugs

is the cause..of 1 in 100 hospital admissions
[one in ten result in death]...count them as smoking deaths

run the numbers
addin docters opinion[bias]

there is ya 15,000...
*ATTRIBUTABLE...to smoking

lets have an inquiry
into cause of deaths

the power mad docters
are as bad as lawyers..and bankers
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 11:04:18 AM
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My good Friend OUG take a deep breath, thanks for that Mr Bell, bloke/mate/Belly not Mr ok?
Ah I am CONVINCED smoking kills, and that it is a habit that traps us.
I smoked half my life, and wanted to give it up for two thirds of that.
Maths plays a roll here,your smokers party, if it got every smoker/victim of tobacco on board would not have the number to win a seat.
Not even a Senate one.
The poor are more likely to be hooked on tobacco, just look around you.
Tobacco lied for decades, aware its product killed it higher ed paid stooges to lie.
No saint mate, but forever and ever stand against big money killing people in the name of commerce.
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 4:02:19 PM
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