Dear Wm Trevor,

Thank you for your reference. You wrote: “Strangely, I couldn't find any comments that related to the topic of this thread…”

The topic of this thread is “gay marriage.” It seems to me reasonable that marriage should include any consenting adults regardless of sex’

However, runner has brought in his religious condemnation of homosexuality. At that point we are no longer dealing with reason. We are dealing with faith which is opposed to reason.

In Christianity and the Bible there is a war against reason. The war starts early in the Bible. In the creation myth God forbids Adam and Eve to eat of the Tree of Knowledge. Why not? Just believe. Don’t learn! For goodness sake, don’t ask questions.

The war on reason continues in the New Testament.

Matthew 17:20 “If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.”

There is not a bit of evidence that anyone ever moved any quantity of matter, much less a mountain, by faith. Nevertheless that bit of biblical silliness is repeated ad nauseam by Christians.

After Rome adopted Christianity the war against reason moved into high gear and included science.

In 415 Hypatia, a brilliant mathematician and philosopher, who charted the motion of celestial bodies was brutally murdered by Christian monks because she would not subscribe to their superstition.

In 1553 Michael Servetus, a brilliant doctor and scientist who discovered pulmonary circulation, was burned at the stake in Protestant Geneva for heresy.

In 1600 Giordano Bruno, a brilliant scientist who realised the sun is a star and our solar system is just one of many, was burned at the stake in Catholic Rome for heresy.

In 1722 Rev. Edmund Massey argued that diseases are sent by God to punish sin and that any attempt to prevent smallpox via inoculation is a "diabolical operation.

Although there is overwhelming evidence for evolution the Christian war against reason continues, and runner is a faithful soldier.

david f you ask

I still would like to know what evidence there is for the legend of creation in Genesis.

Actually the same evidence that evolutionist twist to fit their story. Darwinism has crap all over its face but despite that evolutionist (you could not really call them scientist) continue to interpret everything in light of the theory. This is the only way to keep the funding coming. Really quite shameless. Strangely enough large numbers of medical doctors who study biology can see through the game. They believe in their Creator. Must be all pretty gullible ay!

The religion of evolution is used to justify abortion, homosexuality and many other abhorent things. Its no wonder the latest scam of billions being stolen and wasted via gw is justified by you guessed it. Yes the earth worshippers who adore mother earth.

btw Davidf

it was not just scientist who were burn't at the stake by the corrupt church it was large numbers of bible believing Christians. Don'y forget in your cherry picking to include them.

Dear runner,

In Geneva it was Bible believing Christians who were doing the burning. Protestants, Catholics and other Christians persecuted and murdered those who questioned their superstition.

Oh we know "christians" burned, killed and turtured other "christians".

The point is that precious "christianity" did not make this less, and indeed highlights the additional vileness in that the "christians" supposedly knew it was "bad", yet did it anyway.

Christians and their "churches" do *not* en masse refuse to kill, or to support governments that do. They do not excommunicate or deny communion to killers, even those employed and trained with forethought to do so.

Since "christians" regard the "commandments" as no more than suggestions to drop at convenience, for an excuse, expedience or vested interest, why shouldn't the rest of us?

Even "moses" allegedly killed children, so I am completely sanguine in stating that I do not believe "christians" have any moral authority to be other than embarrassed and silent while their betters get on with things.

Rusty

A thought for consideration:

"Somebody in France wanted to put Voltaire
in jail. Somebody in Franco's Spain sent
Lorca, their greatest poet, to death
before a firing squad. Somebody in Germany
under Hitler burned the books, drove Thomas Mann
into exile, and led their Jewish scholars to the
gas chamber. Somebody in Greece long ago gave
Socrates the hemlock to drink. Somebody in the
USSR banned Solzhenitsyn and Pasternak. Somebody
at Golgotha erected a cross and somebody drove the
nails into the hands of Christ. Somebody spat on his
garments. NO ONE REMEMBERS THEIR NAMES."

(Milton Meltzer, "Four Who Locked Horns with the Censor.")

In a tolerant society - sanctioned intolerance should not
be any more acceptable than anti-gay prejudice.