http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=l3t4wgZCO5M#! Before the US Senate is a new bill, National Defence Authorisation Act." Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropiate force pursant to the authotisation for use pursant to the authorisation for the use of the Military Force,includes the authority for Armed Forces pending disposition under the rule of War."

The battle field according to Senator Graham is the world,thus their domain and anyone who is deemed a threat to the USA can be arrested without charge and held without legal consultation or trial.John McCain also backs this act.Obama's "Preventative Dentention Order" did not include American citizens as such, but targeted terrorists.Obama proposed that the Preventative Dentention order be replaced by this new Act but that was defeated in the Senate.Obama has also legalised the assassination of suspected terrorists.

So Under this Act anyone in the World where extradition agreements exist, can now be deemed a threat by the US Military and imprisoned without legal recourse or trial.We are relying on the US Military to make sound judgememts.Did they do so when torturing Iraqis?

None of this is in the papers nor do authors on OLO confront these alarming loss of liberties.

Arjay,

Frankly, this stuff has been going on for a while. Preemptive - preventative, you name it - its more likely to be the hand grasping desperately to hold on to its former hegemony...the initial convulsions of a dying superpower.

its funny how if we ridicule others
in the klead up to attack...we all fall for
the babies basshed to death..[thrown from incubaters stories]

or islambe nin liner flew the jets into the towers
how we are the good guys ..so we can water board when bored

our 'side is alone is perfect''

i was watching some film yesterday
where arabs were watching some nake chicks belly dance
this somehow reflects off the veil aspect..and covering ya woman
[not drinking and not smoking dope but flavoured tobacco..
but hooka' are outlawed and linked to druggies in movies ]

its all so racist
that we been conditioned via popular cluture mediums
to condone war...ie murder..before premptivly we went direct to assasination of those whos court case would un wind the parts security adgencies had..in setting the issue in train

bin liner was cia
sadman insane was cia
polpot well who knows
but that egyptian...mossad
anyone oppressing the arabs
isnt there toserve their people

heck look at the javanese running indonesia
armies running burma/egypt..china[usa]

are armed forces required to swear oath to the crown or hrh
[its not the same thing][i swore oath to hrh..lol a brit figure head]
who never signed a lol...new law into 'life'..ever..

heck peter beaty signed the new laws himself..lol
and silence

>>None of this is in the papers>>

Christian Science Monitor:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2011/1203/Guantanamo-for-US-citizens-Senate-bill-raises-questions

Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/defense-bill-gives-military-too-much-responsibility-for-detainees/2011/11/28/gIQAbbAO6N_story.html

New York Times:

http://loyalopposition.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/30/president-obama-veto-the-defense-authorization-act/

And many more:

Hardly a media blackout.

Sounds like they are bringing the law up to common practice. The way law works these days i am not surprised, in holding could be suspects.
Parot I do not think you will see the USA downgraded from super power. The USA can go on with out the rest of the world, on their inbuilt economy. It's only borrowing that has caused a problem.

Of the fascist regimes of Hitler , Mussolini, Franco , Suharto and several Latin American regimes, all shared the same 14 characteristics:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Fraudulent Elections

Now, do we just tick another point off or our journey toward the inevitable or decide that circumstances change and we must adapt?

Remember that we don't have our rights taken away - we surrender them willingly.

(PS. Under One God - the babies thrown out of incubators story during the Kuwait war was later proven to be a deliberate lie.)

579,

Which "in-built economy" is that? The one with the denuded manufacturing base? The one that relies on cheap imports from China to prop it up? ....or the one that stomps around the globe grabbing resources under the guise of altruism?

(I'll overlook the fact that you referred to this venerable Belgian sleuth as "Parot" : )

I have already written Pairot 100 times, so the mistake should not happen again. If the US closed its borders to non essential items manufacturing would spring up overnight.

Poirot 579 has not a clue.We are not paying attention to the growing fascism around us.

Naomi Wolf's 10 easy steps to fascism
1/Create and terriying external threat. ie Al Qaeda
2/Create a Gulag.eg Guantanamo Bay
3/Develop a thug caste.The white shirts at the Occupy Movements.
4/Set up an internal surveillance system.It is everywhere.
5/Harass Citizen Groups.
6/Engage in arbitary detention and release of citizens.
7/Target key individuals.
8/Control the Press.
9/Dissent equals treason.
10/Suspend the rule of law.

All the above is happening to some degree in the USA.

Do you think that Julia Gillard who was all over Obama like a rash would stand up for our rights against the bully called the USA?

I can see it now Arjay, The USA are after you!

Nevermind, we'll hand the OLO hat around and send
you food parcels :)

A Arjay all those rules are needed to control the idiots in society. What is this occupy, going to achieve. Tell me, i don't have a clue. Are they greenies, or hippies, or just vagrants. What is their direction if any.

Thanks Arjay for your post. I wasn't aware of the recent updates in US law, of which you speak.

I hope your right about the dying super power bit Poirot, with my only reservation being whom will fill the void. Rendition certainly smacks of fascist regime to me as well wobbles.It seems that U.S., still believes its inalienable right to act as Global policeman.

The U.S. press did seem to cover this topic a little stevinmeyer, but I haven't seen much if anything locally, on this subject. The WP link had the worst and shortest attempt at comic animation I have ever witnessed on the subject, seamlessly linked to a lengthy and glossy commercial for an oil company. It was gross. If thats an example of what the yanks get from their media it was so mind numbing bad, it's a worry.

Now that Arjay has raised this I just wanted to say that I think this is a case of the U.S. throwing the baby out with the bath water when it comes to the rights of non U.S. citizens.

Trashing peoples rights in this way is something that their own constitution would not allow in their own country.

Is this the future for someone like our own Julian Assange ?.

If it is, then any future Australian Gov't that will protect the rights of one of our citizens over the wishes of a tyrannical super power (no matter which colour) will get my vote.

We have just witnessed the Labor Party agree to sell uranium to India at the behest of the U.S. I'm sure that will help our relations with Pakistan.(sic) That fight thankfully is not yet over within ALP.

When is it time to come out from under the umbrella of a super power ?, when its no longer raining. Australia's defence needs, could be served best at home, and not in support of other peoples International goals or conflicts.

Thinker 2,

Perhaps Australia will be selling uranium to India (and soon maybe to Pakistan too, against the US's wishes) at the behest of BHP-Billiton and against the wishes of US producers of the stuff :)

There are more dynamics in heaven and earth, Thinker, than are dreamt of in your philosophy, it appears. Certainly more than the infants' guide to world politics in the one-and-only form of US-versus-anti-US, US as be-all and end-all versus the rest, US as the biggest boogeyman.

If Russia invades Georgia again, is this a simple matter of US versus anti-US ? Or maybe Russia versus Georgia and every other ex-colony ?

If there happens to be an uprising in 'Western China', i.e. Turkestan, is this yet again a matter of US influences (Uighur puppets) versus anti-US, but peace-loving China, or is it more likely to be a matter of Uighur independence fighters versus imperialist China ?

Not everything is cooked up by the CIA - surely we know by now what an incompetent bunch they are :)

Cheers

Joe

Thanks for ypur imput Thinker 2.Louthmouth the CIA may have a degree of incompetence but they have $ billions backing them.It is the Banking military industrial complex that has the real power.They now have put their cronies in power in both Greece and Italy.

About 150 of us protested out side of the 46 th Labor Party convention Bayside Centre Darling harbour last Sunday.The Socialist Alliance, and some Get Up cronies turned up for about 1.5 hrs.They are the AGW religious zealots.Their zeal soon burned out and they left.We were there from 11.30 am till 4:00 pm.ie 5.5 hrs

Rudd, Swan and other high profile pollies were flanked by aids even though they were behind glass.Gutless wonders the lot of them! "There will be no carbon tax under the Govt I lead."

Yabby,Google Susan Lindaur.She is a ex CIA operative and whistle blower.She was the first American Citizen to be arrested under the Patriot Act.

When they take you away and censor the internet,no one will know where you have gone.Not even your own family.

It is of constant fascination to me, Arjay, the way in which you manage to convey two completely contradictory concepts in the same paragraph. Sometimes even in consecutive sentences.

>>Google Susan Lindaur... a ex CIA operative and whistle blower.She was the first American Citizen to be arrested under the Patriot Act. When they take you away and censor the internet,no one will know where you have gone.Not even your own family.<<

Ahem.

Not only does Susan Lindauer's family know where she went and what happened to her, she has her own page in Wikipedia. So much for censoring the internet.

So a) the world knows and b) they know, from the uncensored internet.

>>...the CIA may have a degree of incompetence but they have $ billions backing them<<

Not enough, it would appear, to prevent the world knowing about Susan Lindauer. Despite the fact that she is a "former CIA asset".

Or maybe - just maybe - it is because she is mentally unstable, and therefore a highly unreliable witness. If this is so, what is the value in your providing a reference to her evidence?

Seems pretty pointless and contradictory to me. As does so much of your stuff.

Assange will just disappear into the mist, there will be no record of him entering USA. Terrorism has caused changes, and will for the foreseeable future. Lawyers are a hold up, as you see with assange. He is wanted for offenses in a foreign country, and yet the law can cause disruptions. The US can not afford disruptions.

Pericle alludes that Susan Lindaur is mentally unstable.The USSR did this and had many dissidents put away.Want to see lots of more CIA and ex military dissidents see http://patriotsquestion911.com/ Robert Baer is there and he was recommeded by Nick Kaldis Deputy Commissioner of police for terrorism NSW to Ray Hadley who interviewed him last year.Robert Baer, Interviewer," Do you think that there was Govt involvment in 911?"
Robert Baer,"The evidence points to it."
Inter," Why has there not been a proper investigation?"
Robert Baer," Why was there no investigation into the illegal invasion of Iraq etc"
Also see http://ae911truth.org/ I've met them personally.

Pericles is trying to allude that the now thousands of people on this site http://patriotsquestion911.com/ are unhinged and thus trying to include myself.This site inludes Govt officials,Military 400 professors,actors,pilots,400 doctors and now 1600 Architects and Engineers.Pericles and his ilk would like them committed to an asylum.

These new laws would be a good chance to clean up that occupy mob. All they are doing is disrupting the daily lives of normal people. Mob rule,shoot the mob on site.

579"There should be laws to clean up the Occupy Mob." You're sounding like a good little fascist.

"Alludes". That's a good word, Arjay.

>>Pericle alludes that Susan Lindaur is mentally unstable<<

So, what was I "alluding" to?

Could it perhaps be this Wikipedia extract?

"Lindauer was arrested on Thursday, 11 March 2004 in Takoma Park, Maryland and charged with 'acting as an unregistered agent of a foreign government'. Michael B. Mukasey ruled that Lindauer was unfit to stand trial and could not be forced to take antipsychotic medication to make her competent to stand trial. In 2008, Loretta A. Preska of the Federal District Court in New York City reaffirmed that Lindauer was mentally unfit to stand trial. On January 16, 2009 the government decided to not go ahead with the prosecution."

Doesn't sound particularly stable to me. But perhaps you and I have different definitions of the word. That's always possible.

And you keep bringing up this turkey.

>>Robert Baer is there and he was recommeded by Nick Kaldis Deputy Commissioner of police for terrorism NSW<<

Oh, that Robert Baer. The one who said this:

"I myself have felt the pull of the conspiracy theorists — who believe that 9/11 was an inside job, somehow pulled off by the U.S. government. For the record, I don't believe that the World Trade Center was brought down by our own explosives, or that a rocket, rather than an airliner, hit the Pentagon. I spent a career in the CIA trying to orchestrate plots, wasn't all that good at it, and certainly couldn't carry off 9/11. Nor could the real pros I had the pleasure to work with."

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1692518,00.html

Most convincing indeed. As convincing as all the other tosh that passes for "evidence" in your 9/11 imagination.

>>Pericles is trying to allude that the now thousands of people on this site http://patriotsquestion911.com/ are unhinged and thus trying to include myself.<<

Not unhinged, Arjay.

Merely... misguided. Victims of overactive imaginations. Insecure folk, looking for a reason to blame someone for their feelings of inadequacy.

But not unhinged.

Certainly not.

They drugged her Pericles.Do you think in your wildest dreams the CIA will be nice to anyone who discloses their nefarious activities? While your at it try defaming all the others here; http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

I certainly wasn't suggesting that the U.S. is the greatest threat Joe. On the contrary in fact.
"I hope your right about the dying super power bit Poirot, with my only reservation being whom will fill the void", is what I said. "Australia's defence needs, could be served best at home", is what I said.

Ironically in todays news was the shock jailing of Australian Chinese business man Mathew Ng for 13 more years over corruption charges. This is a worrying decision by the Chinese. I think you would agree Loudmouth.

I clearly did suggest that rendition and the laws trashing people rights resemble fascism.
I stand by that statement and I add that hypocrisy as well

RJ:

...History is vaguely truthful, since history is written by the winners. So conspiracy theories originate from the sense of powerlessness experienced by the conspirators. Conspiracy theories may or may not hold true accord to historical fact, and are acknowledged as historical possibilities only. But again…history is written by winners, so, if your side win, conspiracy theory will be proved as truth in history books, becoming boring historical facts!

However:

...Observe the following revelation from China's state-run Global Times - a mouthpiece for the ruling communist party – (which) ran an editorial saying:

#...The US is carrying out smart power diplomacy that takes China as its target in Asia. Stopping it is not realistic, but it is equally unrealistic to expect China to stand idly by and indulge Asian countries as they join the US alliance to guard against China one by one. Confronted with such frictions, which has the most resources and means at its disposal?

Is an all-out confrontation possible? These should be the real concerns....China has more resources to oppose the US ambition of dominating the region than US has to fulfil it...

As long as China is patient, there will no room for those who choose to depend economically on China while looking to the US to guarantee their security [China threatens Australia]...Any country which chooses to be a pawn in the US chess game will lose the opportunity to benefit from China's economy...This will surely make US protection less attractive…#

…Beware posturing conspiracy theories which may draw negative attention, under these circumstances. Tradition and history state, under all circumstances, where US goes, Australia follows!
Maybe some realistic prediction would be appropriate.

Diver dan ,ever since the mythical times of Adam and Eve,humans have conspired for advantage with the least amount of effort.It is not in the realm of theory but the reality of global economic collapse and the expansion of wars.We are witnessing it at every level.This is all about their New World Order of one world Government,by the elites and for the elites.

Communism and more socialism will be their tools to achieve it.The theory behind it is that there are just too many people on the planet destroying the environment.So destroy the middle class that consumes and let the elites live in absolute luxury.

Maurice Strong(oil billionaire) the ex Secretary of the UN wants to reduce the worlds population by 92%.The moderates want a 70% reduction.Bob Brown believes in World Governance without elections.With this mentality,would you trust any totalitariarn power with your life?

Not so, Arjay.

>>They drugged her Pericles.<<

On the contrary, the court (not the CIA) tried hard to persuade her to take antipsychotic medication to control her condition, so that she would be competent to defend herself in court. She refused, so they eventually had to accept that she was beyond help, and that it would be unfair to her to put her in the dock.

Have a great day. Try not to get involved in anything that would draw the attention of the "elites" and the "new world order". They might come after you and drug you too.

Yes Pericles,they gave Susan Lindaur medication to cure her of truth telling.What about all the other CIA agents here; http://patriotsquestion911.com/ Are they unhinged too?

See also; Sibel Edmonds ex FBI language specialist.
Miltern Beardon Former CIA Pakistan Chief.
Robert David Steele.Former US Marine and Military Intelligence 25 yrs.This guy is very astute and articulate.
Michael Scheuer PHD.Former Chief CIA Bin Laden Unit.
William Christison Joined CIA 1950.National Intelligence Officer.
Ray McGovern 27 yr career CIA.Former Chairman Intelligence Estimates.
Don't forget Robert Baer.

I haven't forgotten, Arjay.

>>Don't forget Robert Baer.<<

You mean this Robert Baer. The one who said this:

"I myself have felt the pull of the conspiracy theorists — who believe that 9/11 was an inside job, somehow pulled off by the U.S. government. For the record, I don't believe that the World Trade Center was brought down by our own explosives, or that a rocket, rather than an airliner, hit the Pentagon. I spent a career in the CIA trying to orchestrate plots, wasn't all that good at it, and certainly couldn't carry off 9/11. Nor could the real pros I had the pleasure to work with."

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1692518,00.html

Most convincing indeed. As convincing as all the other tosh that passes for "evidence" in your 9/11 imagination.

>>What about all the other CIA agents here; http://patriotsquestion911.com/ Are they unhinged too?<<

Quite possibly. But you haven't said what they are contributing to the discussion. Care to give us a clue?

Why did Robert Baer change his story? Last yr, he was here promoting security ,probably for a company he represented.This is why Nick Kaldis endorsed him.Nick did not know however of his previous statments about Govt involvement in 911.It seems now that Baer wants to make some money just like all the other scumbags who openly betray their own under the lie of saving the planet.

You must be working overtime Pericles to shore up such mediocre links.Sibel Edmonds and Susan Lindaur have far more integrity.

That could well be true, Arjay.

>>It seems now that Baer wants to make some money just like all the other scumbags<<

Not the best source for you to rely upon, I guess.

>>You must be working overtime Pericles to shore up such mediocre links<<

Hardly.

They are the same ones I used before, when you brought up the same silly stories. I remember, even if you don't, that all your theories have been debunked, many times over.

Well, that IS a problem, Arjay - when the people whose statements you rely on (rather than physical evidence, or corroboration) make statements contrary to what you would like to believe.

We should all be healthily sceptical about everything we read and hear about, Arjay - including [perhaps especially] the stuff which seems to back up our own preferences and prehudices. A little bit of scientific method goes a long way :)

Cheers,

Joe

I hope this is of assistance to the thread…

I've transcribed the relevant part of the 2GB interview by Ray Handley with Robert Baer on the 2nd of September 2010. It's about 6:40 into the interview.

Handley: "Where were you in September of 2001?"

Baer: "I was out of the CIA. I was living at Capitol Hill and I saw the Pentagon burning from my front window."

Handley: "As someone that was in the field doing what you were doing between 76 and 97 could you believe what had transpired on that day in your country?"

Baer: "I was in complete shock. I mean, I felt that this could happen in the United States. We drew this scenario, but no one quite believed in it. What didn't surprise me was afterwards in the 9/11 Commission Report when it came out that the CIA knew about two of the hijackers in San Diego and didn't tell the FBI. Because the FBI and the CIA don't talk and they don't talk until today."

Handley: "It's still not happening? There's no sharing of information?"

Baer: "Just as bad, and with the National Security Agency those are the guys that do the intercepts and there's vast databases, but there's no way to electronically interrogate those databases on the behalf of the CIA or the FBI."

Handley: "What sort of world are we living in 2010? Are we safer now or less safe than we were back then?"

Baer: "I think we are heading towards a war… " (Interview continues)

Wmtrevor,Robert Baer also went on to say that the USA is flat broke and would be forced to retreat to its borders.He said that Israel would probably attack Iran.He is on record on youtube saying that Iran is not a nuclear threat.

Israel is carrying out subversive activities in Iran.One of its reactors has been attacked.30 of their soldiers dead.Some say the war has already begun.Iran has shot down a US drone over its territory and broken a US CIA spy network. Israel should be charged with war crimes.They have 200+ nukes and Iran has not one.

BTW both Bush and Blair have been found guilty of Iraqi war crimes in a Kuala Lumpa high court.They both have to watch where they travel or face arrest.

I totally agree Arjay with the the content of your last.

I have written many songs in my lifetime and if you don't mind me indulging, a line describing the Palestinian conflict and the imbalance from one song,

"What's the news on the cable by the hour ?, people throwing rocks at invading nuclear power,
A big man sitting safely sipping whisky in a tower, lights flame to the fuse, he's got nothing to lose except the world".

Allowing Israel to be armed with Nuclear weapons may yet prove the worst decision ever made.

I'm more extreme in my view than I believe you would be Arjay, but if the U.S believes that Israeli's a entitled a homeland , them they should give them the state of Arkansas, instead of parking them in someone else's homeland and arming them to the teeth.

Sadly the last thing Israel wants is a country in their region with equivalent rights to themselves. Their total dominance over the neighbours is stomach turning and obscene.

And the mythology of religion laughable as justification.

Did you know thinker2 that after WW2 we offered the Jews land around the Ord River for settlement? It is not the ordinary Jews that are the problem but the elites who have used a religious history to justify their dominance.Many of the Palistinians probably have more Jewish blood than all the Anglo white skinned ones who profess their Zionism.

We can find this manifest destiny,right to rule in all manner of cultures and societies.Only at the grass roots of production and productivty exists a real grasp of reality.The easy sleazy money scammer's time,is coming to and end.The West must end the fractional reserve system of counterfeiting our currencies by private banks,and instigate a consititution based on what the USA used to have.

No more Govt debt and today we can initiate direct democracy via computers and the phone system.

Is there actual proof that Israel posses nukes, or just say so.

Oh yeah, 579, I have it on good authority that it's really six sling-shots and a rolling pin...what do you reckon?

You're welcome, Arjay… and regarding

[...Robert Baer also went on to say that...]

I'm assuming you're relying on what you've read somewhere making a claim about what was said – otherwise you would have known the words you first cited appeared nowhere in the entire interview – and yes, Robert Baer went on to outline a number of Middle East scenarios, after final US troop withdrawal from Iraq, he also went on to say that, "you know, often these disaster scenarios don't happen, but we're getting closer to this one."

He also told Ray Handley, "We don't spy in Australia, there is an agreement, Australia and Britain, New Zealand, Canada, we don't spy on the politics… I know there's the myth that we got rid of a Prime Minister… We're allies you know, in all the most secret things we do, you know, we share… "

Still, I found what he actually said much more interesting and nuanced than what he didn't. Plus, at the end he was nice enough to say, "I'd buy a place here if I could afford it… It's lovely"

Arjay how do you know Israel has 200 + nukes. And do not say because you seen it on utube.

579 200 nukes for Israel is a conservative number.Let's put the weapons inspectors in,like they did Iran and find out the true number.

Arjay that does not tell me where you got your info from. Besides that i do not think nukes would be laying around to be counted.

The Nuclear weapons capability of Israel first became known back in the 80's ?, when Israeli whistle blower, "Mortiki Vanunu" made it known to the world.

This truly heroic man has endured imprisonment in his own country ever since , to my knowledge 579. I don't know what happens when you google Mortiki Vanunu today, I'm going to try it . I suggest you do the same.

cheers T2

Thinker 2,

Try this, an ABC interview with Mordechai Vanunu back in 2004:

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2004/s1209662.htm

Thanks for getting that right for me Joe

cheers T2

The National Defence Authorisation Act has been passed.American citizens and us can be arrested by the Military on the mere suspicion of wanting to carry out a crime.They are now advertising for people to staff the 600 FEMA Camps.

Obama now wants students to act as spies.Hitler and the former Soviet Union did this.They had children dobbing in their parents.Remember the ads for Carbon Cops here? As I said creeping tyrrany.

If I was Israel, I'd certainly want the world to know that I have an arsenal of nuclear weapons, even if I had none at all.

>>The Nuclear weapons capability of Israel first became known back in the 80's ?, when Israeli whistle blower, "Mortiki Vanunu" made it known to the world.<<

What better way, than to get one of my citizens to blow the whistle? That way, I could carry on denying, all the while allowing the world to believe that Vanunu was giving away secrets. I'd even pretend to slap him into prison - preferably in solitary confinement so that no-one would wonder why they couldn't see him - while spiriting him away to a life of luxury at a villa in Ein Gedi.

I'd save myself the cost of producing a single warhead, and be able to support the nuclear non-proliferation pact with a clear conscience, while all the time keeping my enemies at bay with my non-existent nuclear armoury.

Brilliant.

"The Reichstag affirms that the authority of the Fuhrer to use all necessary and appropiate force pursant to the authotisation for use pursant to the authorisation for the use of the Military Force,includes the authority for Armed Forces pending disposition under the rule of War."
So nothing has changed. As the World faces more and more unrest from the dispossessed and the have not's. The have's will introduce more and more draconian laws to 'protect' their interests, their way of life. A little quiz: If there was 1 loaf of bread left in the World, who would get it? (A) The American (B) The African (C) Neither, The American would share, half with the African.

your being a bit generouse paul
the yanks...ngo...gets 95%

and selected africans might get a white elephant
that goes specificly..to the given project

like aids money cant be redirected into child survival
or basic medicine...actually needed...

if you dont got aids..
you get nuthin..[for egsample]

but the creping hand of tyrany creeps on
seems i heard must have set up this topic
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4878&page=0

so i fought that tyrany there
also so much other tyranies

http://www.blacklistednews.com/Shocking_Charts_And_Statistics_That_Prove_That_America_Is_No_Longer_A_Wealthy_Nation/16922/0/38/38/Y/M.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ellen-brown/pulling-back-the-curtain-_1_b_1134465.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/advice/money/2011/12/11/bankers-cost-each-one-of-us-8-40-for-every-1-they-produce-study-shows-115875-23626708/

so i gotta keep moving