Ludwig,

<< SPQR, the more noble cause is staring us in the face: back Minister Bowen’s desire to increase our refugee intake… on the strict proviso that onshore and fly-in asylum-seeking be curtailed.>>

You have greater faith than me Gunda din. Already in today’s Sunday Telegraph report of the ALP national conference it seems to be have been watered down somewhat: << Labor has agreed to double the intake of refugees –so long as they are processed overseas>>

I don’t see the words “on strict proviso that onshore asylum seeking is curtained”

A technicality, perhaps –but knowing how often technicalities have derailed ALP border control polices --makes me highly cynical!

And knowing that Labor has a knack of putting the cart before the horse : We had already started accepted “refugees” from Malaysia before we had a chance to send any the other way --and now it looks like there'll never be any going the other way!
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1577536/first-refugees-arrive-from-malaysia

I suspect we'll end up with 20,00 offshores and the same number of onshores. And the lefts spin doctors will be working overtime selling us on it.

The easy part is boosting the offshore intake.
The hard part –and the part that labor cannot deliver on – is stopping the onshore asylum seeking scam.

Dear Yabby,

A single swallow may not make a summer in your opinion
however this particular "swallow" was simply the whistle-blower
for a whole flock of swallows. He was informaing the authorities
as to what was going on illegally. BTW had you Googled the
subject there's even more information on the subject on the
web - from more than one "swallow."

Try this on for size about illegal immigrants:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/taxpayers-60000-illegal-immigrants/story-e6frf716-1226200664868

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Here's another site:

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/down-under/illegal-immigrants-australia-visa-americans

No Tax File No, No medicare, No australia card, No dole, They must be all working or filthy rich. A little bit more legislation may do the trick, instead of more detectives. Employers will employ them with no TFN and pay peanuts. America is overrun with illegal mexicans, These supposed people are not showing up on unemployment figures.

Bazz, if the link I offered in my last post lists the actions of the Australian Navy in response to an SOS, then the situation is worse than I thought! God save our wretched Australian souls when we knock on the pearly gates after treating our fellow man in this manner.

Lexi, not a word of a mention of false papers, as you claimed.

Visa overstayers indeed they are, as was my claim. Visa overstayers
don't suck on the Govt teat, they don't cost us billions. When they
are caught, they are deported.

The thing is, your claims were an insult to the Australian Customs
service. Are you aware that the AFP are a member of Interpol?
Are you aware that the Interpol database of stolen and lost travel
documents is over 12 million?

For somebody to spend 30-40k$ as claimed by your one person, to then
risk instant deportation and a loss of all that money, would be
downright foolish.

Just as the Australian Taxation Office knows of every bank account
that you own, all the shares that you own, how much interest you
were paid, how much in dividends you were paid, all through data
matching, data matching is used extensively by the Customs service,
internationally, through Interpol. 194 countries participate.

Boat people don't just want to live here, or else they would be
quite content with temporary protection visas. They want full
access to our many cushy benefits and the benefits of permanent
residency, which indeed are some of the cushiest in the world.

Given the the 1951 Convention is 60 years out of date, its full
of holes, open to economic migrants to grab their place. Never mind
those people stuck in refugee camps, who can't afford to push their
way in. Never mind those women and children who have nothing,
our heart on your sleeve brigade just react to whats on telly,
in front of their noses.

Ludwig, yes to every word, I agree.
Are you aware we me you and others can/will be targeted for thinking/knowing that is true.
We let our emotions, biases, political side form our opinions.
And we let our selves BE BOUND AND TIED by PC and minority's.
We truly, can not.
Talk freely of the impacts of separatism built in to boat arrivals or over stayers ext.
20% want to control the debate, to over rule the majority, and to ignore the impacts.
The divisiveness separatism we are importing, the conflicts, the costs.
Above all this link is remarkable, our Conservative Gentleman poster,who assures me he is not Christopher Pyne.
Claims a better understanding than.;
This country's best legal people.
I understand the negative effects to Doctor NO if the off shore system worked.
I know too it is far more important for the Negatives to score points than fix issues.
But soon the NO coalition will be seen for what it is.
Any one think of Tony's next job?
He has the form to try tax return inspector.