Diver Dan, not quite sure what you are getting at.

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Thanks Belly.

Yes the 20 000 is just an aspiration.

I’m not sure the Malaysian deal would have achieved much. Reopening Nauru and Manus Island would have been the go.

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<< Labor, has not got a hope in hell of stopping the onshore asylum seeking scam--not now, or in any foreseeable permutation.>>

I can’t see that the situation is this hopeless, SPQR. The majority desire of the Australian votership is to stop the boats. Both the Labs and Libs say they want to do this. Howard showed that it could be done. So….. why can’t Labor damn well do it??

Gee, if they don’t, and Abbott promises to do so, they’ll be out on their ear at the next election!

<< What we will see will not be 20,000 off-shores and zero on-shores.
But 20,000 off-shores and the same number (as now), or more, of on-shores. >>

Yes quite likely. But crikey, I hope not.

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<< What about the 60,000 illegal refugees (presumably by plane)? >>

Lexi, it goes without saying that I very strongly desire to see that clamped right down on.

In fact, that should be part of the deal. Minister Bowen should make sure it happens BEFORE there is any increase in the offshore refugee intake.

Now, all the good humanitarian people that want to help asylum seekers / refugees should be jumping right behind Chris Bowen and supporting this increase all the way. But as part of the deal, they’ve got to also be pushing for our border protection laws to be respected and for onshore asylum seeking and fly-in visa overstaying to be curtailed forthwith.

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Labor, has not got a hope in hell of stopping the onshore asylum seeking scam--not now, or in any foreseeable permutation.
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They're the only votes the Australian Liars Party will get at the next election, why would they stop them?

I laugh at all this hooplah around boat people and labour, it's all planned, they never had any intention of stopping the boats, they want more of them. The handouts they get ensures they all become good little labour lackeys... errr voters. Ozzies have woken up to the scam that is the modern day Liars Party.

*What about the 60,000 illegal refugees (presumably by plane)?*

Ah Lexi, you mean those backpackers with a passport and a return
ticket home, who partied a bit too long and stayed a bit extra.
Most likely they picked some fruit etc too, doing jobs Aussies
don't want.

With a passport in hand and a return ticket home, why should
they be an issue or a cost?

mmmmmmmm....now whats wrong with this picture?.....We have 7 billion people on this rock/earth and by calls of the Australian people and other counts......more the merry A......for who?....your kids, there kids?....or has mankind just( if there is one in Australia ) just lost the plot?

20.000 plus more to add to the NO jobs our own children will have to fight for!......am I missing something here?...I'll ask the same question here again!.....and I quote.." When your children leave school....where are they going to go?

Oh I get it.....the Australian government have a plan for the future, and there,s nothing to worry about:)......

Oh dear.

CACTUS

Ludwig you and I once swapped story's and concerns about the cruelty of some commentators here.
Of far more concern to me is the nature of the understanding behind some comments.
Note Australian Liars party, note the name picked to represent the poster.
How much thought went in to that?
No need to make a list, but this is true, we are surrounded by politicians addicted to growth.
Both sides want a bigger population, hence Migration.
Yes 60.000 may come in by plane.
But can we see? every action has a reaction, boat people cost us billions, yes it does, of Dollars.
Better spent else ware.
Boat people divide our country, but massively the majority have some level of concern about them,the costs, the impacts of separatism in our country.
At some point, it just must happen, those who follow us, will contemplate us.
We are increasing population and that will, in time be the problem, not under population.
We are, in the name of PC kindness and other issues building future troubles we can already see in Europe, and saying its because we know better.
Those not prepared to take on board that this issue should be above politics, well let the greens dance their naked Morris dances.
Malaysian solution has every chance, it does, of being a world wide answer to this refugee problem.
Open gate is not going to work.
This country could take a million refugees, in a year, and make no impact on the problem.
Other than destroying our economy.

Eliminate onshore refugee intake? In the past Australia has taken in Soviet and Chinese diplomats who have defected. There were not many, but it was right and served us well to do it. If we eliminated onshore refugee intake we could no longer do that.