Belly you state, "Most gee, nearly all workers/ people in the western world support capitalism."
You mean the trade unions and politicians support capitalism and their politics are nationalism, racism and the defence of capitalism. Expressed as 'the bosses have every right and workers have none and 'capitalism at all costs.' Their treachery is a consequence of those politics. Ever heard the trade union officials and Laborites called the 'labor lieutenants of capitalism'? The first time was 92 years ago when they sent workers off to a war beneficial for the war industry and dividing up the world for 'big business.' Workers sacrificed their sons and their own lives along with limbs whilst compelled to shoot other workers. Worker shooting worker, another way of seeing it is 'pitting worker against worker' to 'divide and conquer', 'divide and steal.' The trade unions and politicians knew what war is about. The big lie they exaggerated was "a war to end all wars" that is, until the next war was essential.

As to workers supporting capitalism, why then, would workers ever go on strike? Are they not striking against capitalism? Didn't they overthrow capitalism in 1917 only to have the power usurped by the Stalinist beauracracy? The power was stolen off them. Didn't workers take the road to power in Spain in 1936 against capitalism, but were defeated? Marxists have always maintained who ever owns the means of production owns the ideas in society. It is through those ideas a small ruling class rules, a handfull. Those ideas oppress workers, ideas are very powerful, and make modern slaves out of workers. As well, it is not what this or that worker thinks but what workers as a whole will be compelled to do. From out of its fiery furnace of this system, this system itself produces its own gravedigger a revolutionary class.

It is of little value debating with the far left, I question why I do it so often.
Then I remember I am from that part of left of center politics that values the chance that government gives us to help workers and those in need.
Governments will always be elected by most who vote,I will never support any form of imposed government.
And the ALP is as far left as Australia ever will go, and sometimes not even that far.
So my path is not too far away from the voters.
Union? my union is one of our biggest,and my members are my mates, we are not in the union movement finding a membership lost because we are too far right, so very childlike that claim!
Think with me ,if the lefts claims are true , workers vote Liberal because Labor is too conservative! outstanding rubbish isn't it?
And leave unions because we sell them out!oh stop laughing this is funny!
We must have lost a great marching number of leftists who forget to vote on election day!
If only they would vote!
You could get rid of buggers like me who from our faction gave Australia every state government and will return the federal government to us.
No shame! proudly and honestly! I hold the view the extreme left are more a threat to me and my country and my members my party than conservatives.
Only however if they can get the lost voters to show up at the polls.
In an electorate that did not want greens preferences to go to Labor yesterday 1 in 3 preferences leaked back to us! rats in the ranks?
No Labor is the only real chance for left of center voters.

You state, "Union? my union is one of our biggest,and my members are my mates."
Well, we know your mates are charged big union fees, but lets examine how the union looks after "mates."
What about being explicit, have the trade unions done the dirty work of the Liberal and Labor governments for decades? Please explain in what way, Howard could implement one of his filthy anti-worker policies if not for the treacherous trade union officials? It would be utterley laughable, this nonentity, if he came into the workplace and tried out a sellout; he would probably get strung up if he tried. Moreover, the unions tell workers "he is too strong" but in reality, the unions prop up him up by keeping workers divided - and refuse to mobilize the workforce.
In 1985, what about the ALP/ACTU ACCORD the trade unions to a man signed to undermine workers conditions and jobs. The ACCORD was the unions stinking deal that took wage indexation off workers; the greatest transference of wealth this century from the pockets of workers into the banks and bosses. Tell us that isn't so? Then the union beauracracy to a man sold out the compensation dispute. This particular sellout should go down as one of the most treacherous and swinish betrayals in history. Along with a reduced insurance cover today, that betrayal actually encouraged the bosses to lessen safety precautions. The insurance companies were very greatful to the ACTU as they made hundreds of millions of dollars extra income.
In this period workers were paid in cash until the ACCORD directed all wages to be paid directly into the banks. The bankers cheered and after a short period added service charges, now they get a slice of millions of workers wages, week in week out.

Part 2. Belly. Then the ALP/ACTU advised the employers to "restructure their workforce" to trim down any excess staff. In other words, the employers were actually encouraged to carry out retrenchments and boost wage exploitation. And for workers who stayed on they were saddled with the work of those who went, forced to do the work of two people. Many thousands of factories were "restructured" according to the ACTU jargon and plan. Where workers called mass meetings to protest the job destruction, the ACTU stepped in to isolate every dispute, weaken any resolve of workers and then push through a betrayal. That took some real skilled swinishness but the trade union officials were up to it.
The last GENUINE payrise for most workers was about 1982. The CEO's have had many hundreds, as well as being substantial increases. The trade union beauracrats too have had many rises whilst their members have gone without. Then there was that ACTU stinking deal that there would be no collective bargaining and every workplace had to go it alone. In this way, workers bargaining power could be undermined and weakened. Whilst workers have struggled often trying to make ends meet 'money bags' slept soundly at night counting the tinkle of gold conducted by the ALP/ACTU. Belly, I suppose you pretend that the trade unions do not sell workers out. Or do you cover up for them and 'set your mates up' for their treachery? It is impossible of counting the number of sellouts the ACTU have carried out but it must be substantial over the decades. As I am sure you are aware that all real wealth comes out of the backs of workers the role the trade union officials played has been to short-change workers. They are truly agents of the capitalists.

See? my point exactly it s not worth while debating with the Wil Robinson's of this world sorry extreme left.
A claim that any group who are protesting about anything are from the brotherhood of the very left is made once crowd numbers get to two, even if it is a group of drunks wanting the pub to stay open.
Only one way exists to put pressure on politicians, at the polling booths.
Such pressure was put on both sides yesterday in NSW.
The results will surface in days the NSW government will see unseated time wasters and fools even rats in the ranks go from the front bench and within months it will be much liked.
Liberalism was reborn yesterday it may not know it yet but debate will soon drive Howard's new right out of office and his appointments too.
NSW has a second in charge of conservatives who could turn his party around in just a few years.
His task has been made harder by yesterdays chance given to a good Labor leader to get it right.
That chance will not be miss used by him and makes conservatives rebirth more likely to start in another state.
But only after they understand John Howard has lead in the wrong direction, he is not the man he once was and it will not get better till after he leads his party to its train wreck in a quick sand of lies.
Election 2007 is his waterloo and the start of rebuilding his much damaged party.
Federal Labor will not miss use its mandate so it will be some time clearing the rubble for conservatives

John cee 1945 I will never understand why you think as you do and you will never understand me.
But in your post I find more to question the truth of than in ten hours of Howard's speech's.
My branch of my union stood alone , went outside the NSW ALP left it in fact to fight against the still dreadful crime against workers compensation .
The lefts appointed members of the house crossed the picket line to enter Parliament and vote to except the sell out of workers in this state.
And they say we are weak?
Not true it takes guts as a union official to highlight the very real danger to workers the very left are and always have been.
But your post says it for me.
I stand with pride in the middle of middle Australia, shoulder to shoulder with working class Australians who want nothing to do with the nightmare that is your dreams communism in any form.
And I will fight till my last breath for workers rights but no communist ever truly cared about true workers they after all are only a ladder to power for people like the leader of north Korea.
Workers united will never be defeated.