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civilisation and war

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Thank you for clarifying, Runner.

It was not my intention to give an opinion either for or against the theory of evolution, but I should think that those people who believe that humans evolved from other animals are likely to consider the former higher, superior, or more successful, on the evolutionary scale than the later and therefore more precious. Specifically, the vast majority of those who believe in the theory of evolution eat meat. OTOH, most vegetarians (out of choice) are Hindus, who believe that humans are the descendents of Manu, the son of Brahma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_%28Hinduism%29) and not of monkeys.

I am not concerned with who's more precious, but with the fact that killing and violence makes others suffer and is not right, regardless of species. Also, getting back to the topic, chimps, dogs and cows have not caused anywhere as near a damage to this planet as humans did. Their numbers are controlled whereas human numbers are not, which is why I'm afraid, violence of humans against humans is now unavoidable.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 18 November 2011 4:43:01 PM
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Why do people go to war? The answer is that war occurs
as a result of a political decision - usually a decision by
older men that younger men should fight for what the older men
believe to be worth fighting for. There can be no war unless
the leaders of at least two societies with conflicting
interests decide that they prefer war to any alternative means
of settling their differences.

The soldiers themselves go to war - frequently not knowing what
they are fighting for, and usually are terrified of meeting the
enemy in battle - because a legitimate political authority is
determined on that course of action. War is a highly structured
social activity. It cannot be sustained without a strong
political authority that can persuade people to risk their lives
for a purpose beyond themselves.

Many factors may influence the decision to go to war - the
personalities of the leaders; the influence of nationalist,
religious, or other ideologies; the extent of popular support
for war; the anticipated economic gains or losses, the ambitions
or advice of the military; perceptions or misperceptions of the
other side's motives and intentions; the expected reaction of
the international community, and, of course, expectations about
the likely outcome of the conflict.

However, one factor that seems particularly likely to encourage
war is preparation for it. In general, militarised nations tend
to fight with other militarised nations, and countries that
prepare for war tend to become engaged in war.

To a visitor from another planet, it would seem that the modern
world is obsessed with preparations for "defense." It is never
called "offense." Many countries spend more of their budgets
for military purposes than they do for education of medical care.
In the past century, global spending for military purposes has
consumed an estimated amount in the trillions.

This represents a
colossal diversion of funds from socially useful goals. For
example, a single hour's worth of these expenditures would
suffice to save, through immunization, over 120,000 children
around the world who die each day from preventable infectious
diseases.
Posted by Lexi, Friday, 18 November 2011 6:00:39 PM
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war has many causes..foremost being fear and greed
[fear often covering over the greed need]

lest we forget bankers pay for both sides of most wars
and get lots of war related business expansions..[and often extra govt cash..grants to build infastructure war destroyed]

also often missed is the slave labours..of civil workforces
and that kings often arranged for wars..to put the peasents back in their rightfull peon place..

then of course is the urgent need to kill off the young
as ww1 was the best egsample off..[where they actually gassed their own and others children..then infected the survivers with bird flue]

war is hell...[and even after death..
those lovers of murder..go on killing each other
[even in the lands beyond death..they still love the murder..so much]

but lets ignore the war
the capitalists and millionares[sorry billionairs]..and multinational corperations...like ge and bayer plus so many unmentioned]..who grew fat..by cause of war..its futile to curse them..for they were cursed the day they were born..

war...huh?
what is it good for
making the rich richer..and the poor more poor

its for making the hungry starve to death
and to turn the ignorant loyalist into canon fodder

that sterilises the saturated ground..our leaders sought to make fertile..by the blood of the innocents..

cures be upon the old
sending the young to die..in war..for any reasoning
Posted by one under god, Friday, 18 November 2011 10:11:01 PM
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few people consider that as horrific war is it can be more uncivilised and even cowardly to stand by and watch dictators commit atrocities on men, woman and kids.
Posted by runner, Friday, 18 November 2011 10:13:09 PM
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i would reply yu's quote..
""not concerned with who's more precious, but with the fact that killing and violence makes others suffer and is not right,""

thats cetainly good reasoning
but lets esamine the cause...[either all life is precious..or some more preciopus than other]

so lets look at a seed...clearly living...
if we let it..set it..into gods good soil..
adding..gods good waters,..plus..gods good sun light

yes a seed has the possability..[probability] of life/living
yet we kill infinite trillions of seeds each day..
just for our daily bread

even the most blatent[pure]..vego...
needed to take the life of his[or her]..food..to sustain their own lifes living

just to make their 'guiltfree'..soy latte
needed thousands of soy seds to die
[then the bugs that died..simply trying to eat your harvest]

add in the other deaths,[roadkill]
that died getting the food..to our stomache
[thats why we need pray over our food...that died

so we may live

all life isnt equal
but each life that dies must be accorded recognition

[at least war has a tokenistic recognition of those who 'died'..so we can live]..its still pathetic

""regardless of species.""

ahhh men

""Also,..chimps, dogs and cows have not caused anywhere as near a damage to this planet as humans did.""

nor done as much to fullfill gods first decree

""Their numbers are controlled
whereas human numbers are not,which is why I'm afraid, violence of humans against humans is now unavoidable.""

yes we control their numbers
but so too nature..but its only men..
man kind..that plan to die in futile preventable war
Posted by one under god, Friday, 18 November 2011 10:55:31 PM
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Ezhil, dream on.

Chances are as global times get tougher, we, being one of the resourse richest and under populated countries, combined with massive amounts of unpopulated shore lines, we will most likely have to ramp up our military, just to protect our way of life.

Of cause we can all dream about that perfect world, and I hope it comes, but reality suggests otherwise, unless of cause we offer to share what we have, which again will effect our way of life.

I hope I am wrong.
Posted by rehctub, Saturday, 19 November 2011 5:15:56 AM
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