War is being fought between nations even in this modern era.The main reason for the war is a parochial mindset.Fanaticism of nation,religion, region,language and the like leads to the development of parochialism in the immature minds.Killing another person in the name of region, religion, nation and the like is the most uncivilsed act. The inference is that man has not civilised fully still. A civilised society will not go to war with another society.Therefore if we want to call ourselves a Civilised societiy we must gradually reduce the military and finally disband.

But why would you want to call ourselves a civilized society?

The word "civil" is derived from the Latin word for "city": people of the city live in higher density and therefore must observe rules of order and courtesy, so "civilized" means "of the city".

Do we really want a society of the city?

Cities are the basis of nations. Also, what mistakenly became commonly known as "religion" has nothing to do with God, but is rather a cynical tool of nationality in disguise. Nations are supposed to peaceful within, but not with each other. In fact, the two world-wars were fought between civilized nation states.

It's a pure matter of ecology that when a race outgrows the planet's carrying-capacity, something will bring it down to a reasonable size: in the absence of famines and plagues, it is likely to be wars. Wars are natural, but not on today's national scale. Nations are way too big to be considered natural.

The way to stop, or at least reduce, wars, is to limit the human population, leave the cities behind and live sparsely on the land.

Civilization is not the solution - it is the problem. It causes a sharp spike in population, followed by an inevitable catastrophic crash, if not even total extinction of the human race.

Just look at how violent the occupy movement have proven to be and you will see how far we are from being 'çivilised'. The funny thing is that many of them claim to be anti war but are happy to be violent.

I well come the author.
But must say I disagree with the idea we must be civil to put and end to wars.
It is human nature, survival instinct, plus our greed that makes for war.
Look at runners contribution.
Look truly look, his fixed Christian fundamentalism , is blinding him.
In a world that has children bought and sold as sex slaves.
Mass shooting of unarmed protesters, see yet again this weekends story's of MURDERS in Syria, Friday prayers,
And consider from what pit of neo conservative right Christian right, is that fantasy of violence coming?
Peace would be more achievable if we had no religions.
But too if we had less freedom, and of most importance more education.
Education is a must for every human child, not indoctrination, a basic truth must be told humanity is one.

Ezhil, this is an interesting topic. We probably need to consider how the emotion of "hatred" is a driving force behind conflicts and how it leads to violence. "Hatred" generates a degree of irrationality, and hence inhibits coexistence in societies. Religion can be equally a destructive as well as a positive force. Perhaps Karl Marx was correct with "..religion is the opiate of the masses..." Perhaps the Middle East would be a quieter place without religion?

Funny the atheist and non religous murder more than the many religous fruitcakes put together. Just look at the mass slaughter of the unborn. Even the Israelies have some of hope of detecting mad suicide bombers. The babies are murdered without voice. When a nation is this wicked we are capable of any other wickedness.

Dear Runner,

You have a point there, but why use the unborn as an example for murder while hundreds of thousands of animals are slaughtered every day in Australia alone?

They too get no voice - and are more developed, physically, mentally and emotionally than most of the unborn you speak for.

Another point, Bempec: those so-called "religions" of the middle-east are no religions at all, but pure nationality in the guise of religion. Indeed, things would be great if there was no nationality, but as I explained above, nationality is a symptom of cities and cities are a symptom of overpopulation.

The bottom line is not about hatred. The bottom line is that if you overpopulate, and if nature does not provide its own disasters, then you will have to start killing the excess population, under this guise or another. If you want murder to stop, you must cut drastically on procreation.

Yuyutsu

If you were a lifeguard and you saw a dog and child drowning who would you rescue first? That might give you your answer.

Runner,

A chimpanzee develops mentally at the same rate as a human baby and toddler, up to the age of 3, but then stops.

Other animals (except possibly dolphins, whales and elephants) stop developing mentally earlier than 3 years - but evidence shows that they still develop after birth.

So comparing a 3-year old child with a 3-year old dog should indeed favour the child. However, comparing an unconscious 3-month fetus with a fully-conscious 3-year old cow should favour the cow.

Yuyutsu,

'A chimpanzee develops mentally at the same rate as a human baby and toddler, up to the age of 3, but then stops. '

So I take it you believe a 3 year old chimp is worth rescuing more than a 1 year old baby boy or girl? The idiotic evolution theory has certainly brainwashed you to not be able to discern the difference between a human life and that of an animal.

Dear Runner,

"So I take it you believe a 3 year old chimp is worth rescuing more than a 1 year old baby boy or girl?"

The question of worth does not come into it. Naturally if the boy or girl were mine, or my relatives then I would rather save them because they would be worth more to me. OTOH, if I raised up the chimp, then it would be worth more to me than the child. Acting on that basis, in both cases, would be selfish.

On pure moral grounds, however, the primary aim is to avoid causing suffering to others. A 3 year old chimp is likely to suffer more from dying than a 1 year old boy or girl and therefore should have a higher priority for saving.

"The idiotic evolution theory has certainly brainwashed you to not be able to discern the difference between a human life and that of an animal."

What's evolution got to do with it? I am not looking at how the chimp or dog or cow or human came about, but at how much suffering will be incurred in them dying. I don't know who brainwashed you into believing that a human life is different in principle than that of animals - perhaps the meat industry!

Yuyutsu

you ask 'What's evolution got to do with it? '

Generally people who put the lives of animals above or on equal terms to that of humans subscribe to this ridiculous faith as justification.

Thank you for clarifying, Runner.

It was not my intention to give an opinion either for or against the theory of evolution, but I should think that those people who believe that humans evolved from other animals are likely to consider the former higher, superior, or more successful, on the evolutionary scale than the later and therefore more precious. Specifically, the vast majority of those who believe in the theory of evolution eat meat. OTOH, most vegetarians (out of choice) are Hindus, who believe that humans are the descendents of Manu, the son of Brahma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_%28Hinduism%29) and not of monkeys.

I am not concerned with who's more precious, but with the fact that killing and violence makes others suffer and is not right, regardless of species. Also, getting back to the topic, chimps, dogs and cows have not caused anywhere as near a damage to this planet as humans did. Their numbers are controlled whereas human numbers are not, which is why I'm afraid, violence of humans against humans is now unavoidable.

Why do people go to war? The answer is that war occurs
as a result of a political decision - usually a decision by
older men that younger men should fight for what the older men
believe to be worth fighting for. There can be no war unless
the leaders of at least two societies with conflicting
interests decide that they prefer war to any alternative means
of settling their differences.

The soldiers themselves go to war - frequently not knowing what
they are fighting for, and usually are terrified of meeting the
enemy in battle - because a legitimate political authority is
determined on that course of action. War is a highly structured
social activity. It cannot be sustained without a strong
political authority that can persuade people to risk their lives
for a purpose beyond themselves.

Many factors may influence the decision to go to war - the
personalities of the leaders; the influence of nationalist,
religious, or other ideologies; the extent of popular support
for war; the anticipated economic gains or losses, the ambitions
or advice of the military; perceptions or misperceptions of the
other side's motives and intentions; the expected reaction of
the international community, and, of course, expectations about
the likely outcome of the conflict.

However, one factor that seems particularly likely to encourage
war is preparation for it. In general, militarised nations tend
to fight with other militarised nations, and countries that
prepare for war tend to become engaged in war.

To a visitor from another planet, it would seem that the modern
world is obsessed with preparations for "defense." It is never
called "offense." Many countries spend more of their budgets
for military purposes than they do for education of medical care.
In the past century, global spending for military purposes has
consumed an estimated amount in the trillions.

This represents a
colossal diversion of funds from socially useful goals. For
example, a single hour's worth of these expenditures would
suffice to save, through immunization, over 120,000 children
around the world who die each day from preventable infectious
diseases.

war has many causes..foremost being fear and greed
[fear often covering over the greed need]

lest we forget bankers pay for both sides of most wars
and get lots of war related business expansions..[and often extra govt cash..grants to build infastructure war destroyed]

also often missed is the slave labours..of civil workforces
and that kings often arranged for wars..to put the peasents back in their rightfull peon place..

then of course is the urgent need to kill off the young
as ww1 was the best egsample off..[where they actually gassed their own and others children..then infected the survivers with bird flue]

war is hell...[and even after death..
those lovers of murder..go on killing each other
[even in the lands beyond death..they still love the murder..so much]

but lets ignore the war
the capitalists and millionares[sorry billionairs]..and multinational corperations...like ge and bayer plus so many unmentioned]..who grew fat..by cause of war..its futile to curse them..for they were cursed the day they were born..

war...huh?
what is it good for
making the rich richer..and the poor more poor

its for making the hungry starve to death
and to turn the ignorant loyalist into canon fodder

that sterilises the saturated ground..our leaders sought to make fertile..by the blood of the innocents..

cures be upon the old
sending the young to die..in war..for any reasoning

few people consider that as horrific war is it can be more uncivilised and even cowardly to stand by and watch dictators commit atrocities on men, woman and kids.

i would reply yu's quote..
""not concerned with who's more precious, but with the fact that killing and violence makes others suffer and is not right,""

thats cetainly good reasoning
but lets esamine the cause...[either all life is precious..or some more preciopus than other]

so lets look at a seed...clearly living...
if we let it..set it..into gods good soil..
adding..gods good waters,..plus..gods good sun light

yes a seed has the possability..[probability] of life/living
yet we kill infinite trillions of seeds each day..
just for our daily bread

even the most blatent[pure]..vego...
needed to take the life of his[or her]..food..to sustain their own lifes living

just to make their 'guiltfree'..soy latte
needed thousands of soy seds to die
[then the bugs that died..simply trying to eat your harvest]

add in the other deaths,[roadkill]
that died getting the food..to our stomache
[thats why we need pray over our food...that died

so we may live

all life isnt equal
but each life that dies must be accorded recognition

[at least war has a tokenistic recognition of those who 'died'..so we can live]..its still pathetic

""regardless of species.""

ahhh men

""Also,..chimps, dogs and cows have not caused anywhere as near a damage to this planet as humans did.""

nor done as much to fullfill gods first decree

""Their numbers are controlled
whereas human numbers are not,which is why I'm afraid, violence of humans against humans is now unavoidable.""

yes we control their numbers
but so too nature..but its only men..
man kind..that plan to die in futile preventable war

Ezhil, dream on.

Chances are as global times get tougher, we, being one of the resourse richest and under populated countries, combined with massive amounts of unpopulated shore lines, we will most likely have to ramp up our military, just to protect our way of life.

Of cause we can all dream about that perfect world, and I hope it comes, but reality suggests otherwise, unless of cause we offer to share what we have, which again will effect our way of life.

I hope I am wrong.

All mankind share the same enemy, the enemy from within-stupidity ! That's why we keep having wars. As civilisations decline, stupidity increases. I think it's natural. Just look at this country, great place, great living standards, great economy then we vote in a crowd that destroys all that in less than one term & we still have people vehemently defending them. Go figure ? We need to declare war on stupidity.

'As civilisations decline, stupidity increases'

actually individual stupidity commences by denying ones Creator.

Dear Individual,

You state that you want to declare "war on stupidity."

I wouldn't worry about what people think. They don't do
it very often.

And with that thought in mind here's an example:
It's called, "Caught Speeding," I got it from the web.

Woman: "Is there a problem, Officer?"

Officer: "Madam, you were speeding."

Woman: "Oh, I see."

Officer: "Can I see your driver's license please?"

Woman: "I'd give it to you but I don't have one."

Officer: "Don't have one?"

Woman: "Lost it 4 times for drunk driving."

Officer: " I see... Can I see your vehicle registration papers please?"

Woman: "I can't do that."

Officer: "Why not?"

Woman: "I stole this car."

Officer: "Stole it?"

Woman: " Yes, and I killed and hacked up the owner."

Officer: "You what?"

Woman: "His body parts are in plastic bags in the trunk if you
want to see."

The Officer looks at the woman, slowly backs away to his car, and
calls for back up. Within minutes 5 police cars circle the car.
A senior officer slowly approaches the car, clasping his half
drawn gun.

Officer 2: "Madam, could you step out of your vehicle please!"

The woman steps out of her vehicle.

Woman: "Is there a problem Sir?"

Officer 2: "One of my officers told me that you have stolen this
car and murdered the owner."

Woman: "Murdered the owner?"

Officer 2: "Yes, could you please open the trunk of your car."

The woman opens the trunk, revealing nothing but an empty trunk.

Officer 2: "Is this your car, madam?"

Woman: "Yes, here are the registration papers."

The first officer is stunned.

Officer 2: "One of my officers claims that you do not have
a driver's license."

The woman digs into her handbag and pulls out her driver's
license.

Officer 2: "Thank You Madam, one of my officers told me
that you didn't have a license, that you had stolen this car,
and that you murdered and hacked up the owner."

Woman: "Betcha the lying bastard told you I was speeding too."

Lol Lexi :)

I call for the wonderful art of humour to be more widespread in our society, and then I am sure wars would decrease!

Individual and Runner celebrate the 'stupidity' of society for very different reasons, but at the end of the day are really saying that all people who don't believe/agree with what they are saying/believing must be stupid.

How very egotistical of them...

it was to end war[that will in time come]

i invented the wikiseed[wikigeld]...
a unit of exchange based on a set weight of hemp seed..in lbs

hemp seed can be made/refined...into over 30,000 products
so my research..at the time revealed..

it can make fuel paper plastic
fertiliser oil fibre etc

it was inspired by my researches revealing a 7 branched type of hemp
[as depicted on the nsw police posters in the 70's..[when the hippies found it growing in the hunter river..

this 7 branched hemp was described in exodus
[in the instructions of the design of the lampstand..[ex 25;40]

the hunter river..was once connected to the namoi river
which means in aborigonal tongue 'river of life'"
swedenberg predicted it'd finding

the same river of life mentioned at revelation..22:2
where the tree of life bare twelve MANOR of fruits
yeilding her fruit..*every month..[i can list em]

and the leaves of the tree..[money]..are for the healing of nations
[to wit paper money..in its traditional meaning
as a PROMISE to pay..in hemp seed

[ie eat it refine it..or grow it]

the wikinote allowed the bearor..SURE payment of debt
[ie it has printed..on it
the right..to grow your own pound..[of hemp seed]

[the male tree belongs to mens circle
[and the femail tree remains owned..in trust by the woemans circle]

the wikiseed is our combined inheritance
its assured value..allows it to repay govt debt
to buy peoples freedoms..to fed cloth the poor[man beast alike]

with it we can rebuild societies...and unwind the rainbow serphant
that allows..us to BUY peace..to be spread peace through-out the world

but heck...its main use after feeding all
and clothing them all..PLUS..paying off debt

sustains industry/transport..
debt underwriting/insurance

but heck no one cares