as much as i lovethe pair of ya
yer wrong this time

mainly cause there is no proof..
that any partial tax will fix anything
let alone mandatibng it up to 23%..when the world market says 9%

how insane is that?
why did they put it at 23%
cause thats the number they ned to give us some grants

BUT THE REST OF THE WORLD SAYS 9%
plus the rest of the world only raises 2 billion
and ours will raise in its first year..3.5 billion
that increases EVERY year till by 2050..its 150 billion

how can you support such insanity
and still c02 went up this year by 5%

it was built on a lie
nothing good can come from a lie

but at every step they lied
only 1000..[only 500...it will only affect half the households]

now we are ALL GOING TO PAY
for credits..those charging us 23 buck..
bought on the 'market' for 9$...[who is going to buy aussie carbon permits at $23..or 25..or 28%..increasing EVERY YEAR

no thats what we will pay
for carbon credits they bought for 9$

are we going to buy them or juliars?
are we going to round up or down our carbon credit
[i use one quaterr of a ton..of c02 in total...so it dont hurt me..till prices go up for cooling meat/fruit..and the cost of transporting food]

why chose you guys to be deaf and blind
your both so ONE EYED..yet i still love you
labour party isnt about serving you..its about taxing you to death

Dear OUG,

We love you too. And your fear of the "unknown"
is understandable. However try to understand
that with this current step that's been taken
it will encourage companies to become more
environmentally friendly.

Australians will get
a better deal because clean choices are cheaper
and more competitive than polluting ones and
also new industries will be created with high-paying
skilled jobs for the future.

This step is a
step in the right direction. We can't continue
with what we've been doing - for the sake of both our coutnry,
our fragile planet, as well as for the sake of our
future gneerations.

Surely you understand that the control of pollution is
politically difficult for the economic interests
behind "smokestack" industries are a powerful lobby that
is reluctant to commit the necessary resources to the task.

Our government has taken a very courageous step in making
this right decision despite all the negativity, spin, and
rhetoric from the Opposition .

However Mr Abbott will soon discover that a strategy based
on negativity has many advantages including clarity.
But it inevitably suffers in terms of relevance as decisions
are taken and the public debate moves on.

Lexi said seriously I think;
BTW: where was the leader of the Opposition when
it came time to vote on this issue that he felt so strongly
about.

Errr, Abbott is a member of the Reps, the vote was in the Senate.
Hmmmm

*This step is a
step in the right direction. We can't continue
with what we've been doing - for the sake of both our coutnry,
our fragile planet, as well as for the sake of our
future gneerations.*

Lol Lexi. So we increase meat processing and other costs
to farmers, make them even less competitive on global markets.
But then we export the surplus coal that we now hope not
to burn. Then we add a few other nails in the coffin,
like 12% super, Fair Work Australia and all the rest.

Next you'll be screaming that you wonder why jobs are leaving
Australia! Female logic really is cute at times, if only the
repercussions were not so serious. The law of unintended
consequences is never far away.

lexie i have no fear of the uinknown
i resent the lies used at every level of this debate
as said previously i use a minimum of power/fuel..so its not going to cost me much

but it is going to cost me something
and juliar said only 500 will pay

i resent being 'one of the 500'..[who only will pay]..lol
thats pure lie

you me all of us here will pay
why say only 100-..only 500

keep count of how much your grandchild pays..over his lifetime

ONLY 500..yeah sure ju-liar

who is a fool enough to believe that..
[a lot of your mates]

i resent being called names a hollow caust denier
a paid stooge for poluters..ignorant of science

there was no end to the spin
there still isnt

even you say
im afraid..lol

im over caring..at least the lies can now end

lets hope a liberal govt has the courage
to demand back those who got grants...
yet they too lied

OUG! MATE! and you are my mate.
Consider this, we learn by our mistakes, also by hearing others views.
Do you know how the quote Greeks Barring gifts came about, Trojan horse and all that?
You claim the views Lexi and I have are born of lies?
You have taken the reins of a Trojan horse crafted by big money self interest.
Pushed it to your home and you are welcome to it.