http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBrmH2pCmyM&feature=related

The vatican...lol...yes StG, the world as it is, is still unknown as is the evidence for anything religious people have to say:) I thought the most gullible people on earth were those that believed in truth, justice, religious governments, voters, US bible police, but NO! its every human-being that simply cant think.

Mental illness among some, are as dangerous as the morons that teach it:)

"Religion is all about power over other people but spirituality is about disciplining yourself."

Only one part of that is right, and its not spirituality:) you can call the feeling of life anything you like:)

"but spirituality is about disciplining yourself."

No! disciplining yourself, is all about disciplining the child with-in.

No GOD required.......just you, if your strong enough.

....if not.....the sheep-people are waiting for you:)

CACTUS

we shouldnt change topics midstream

":"Religion is all about power over other people""

i would add in the word gaining...'power over others'
but then the next bit needs more urgent clarification

'"but spirituality is about disciplining yourself."""

spirituality that is abnout self discipline..
is like a child bending over to get spanked
thinking they broke some rule

the only message..that religeon is charged to deliver..is to love god by loving neighbour..[to not cast stones..to not judge sin..;because thats the perogative of only one good god..[who dont judge no one]

but by postulating..prost-e-little-ising
in error..we lead ourselves and others astray

jesus came to reveal..no day or 'reserction'
to wit he came back from death..in 3 days
ie was resercted..

[he said see that ye see me do/
/you shall do greater]

thus he wernt judged
neither shal we [any]...be judged
if you boil it down to its nub..we sin
only because god made us capable of knowing good from vile

[and the sorting from the wheat and the chaff
the pigs from the goats..is only after harvest[death]

when those who love the same things
who chose to do the same good and or evils
go to the same place..[in the fathers many roomed house]

the tares to the tares room
the goats to the goat room
the buddists to theirs ..the xtians to theirs
the mahamoudians to theirs..cathoholics to theirs..and even the due has their jew room..[just like those who love murder got their room and the lovers lie in the same bedroom]

in short..the church should be sending the message
more [of the same;you chose to love in this realm]..
shall be given..[in the next]..

so be carefull that you idolise
for those loving to murder..shall be the only ones being murderd
those wanting to give 'love'..will be the only ones 'loved'

that being said..the popes silence
where he could awaken the sleepers
deserves its own hell

and as for hrh..[the queen]..the non catoholic pope
[the 'other piope]...well she wont be told..her trust is betrayed

maybe if she aspired to more modest means
those desiring the same[her high life]..
could bring their desires
to a more realistic
more sustainable level

but she is just a figure head
living in a delusion..but could be the means to awake those with the true power..who stand to condem themselves to the lower hells for lengthy terms..

[by being ignorant..of the erternity..we all face before us]..
long after earths 'glories' have faded

I think I know the answer, Suseonline.

>>I agree with the first part of your statement, but was wondering what you mean by 'disciplining yourself', as far as spirituality is concerned Arjay?<<

I suspect it has a great deal to do with hair shirts...

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07113b.htm

...and self-flagellation.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8375174.stm

It's his Catholic upbringing.

Interestingly, these habits are also evident in a non-physical form, in his posts here about matters financial. At least, that's the only viable theory I have been able to come up with so far.

More adhominem from Pericles.Is that the best you can muster?
The members within the Catholic Church have done much good but the hierarchy toe the corporate line of power without spirituality.

I don't expect to have a consciousness beyond death.I like to think that my wisdom gets passed on thus achieving a better world.The concept of god is a human one trying to explain a complex universe.We have not evolved enough to really understand what we are and our place in the universe.Would you save and ant at your feet with the thought it might one day evolve into a higher life form? Superior beings to us would have a similar attitude.

Back to the topic.What role should the Catholic Church have in initiating a new Global Bank and central regulating authority? No one it seems wants to debate the real issues.

on the bbc last night
[world have your say]..this topic was its main feature
[or rather the occupation of st pauls]..which has now been blessed
[by the resignation of two people wanting it gone]

as suggested earlier..
the queen holds some form of papal 'power'
but id a pure figurehead..as the crown ..isnt her majesty

all the issues inherant of the occupy movement
[disparity with the money changers]..
has its fix in revelation 22;2

''on either side of the river..
was there ..the tree of life..which bare twelve manna of fruits
and yeilded her fruits..every month;..AND THE LEAVES off the tree were for the healing of the nations""..[debt's..as well as the peoples debts to nations]

thats why i created the wikseed/wikigeld
and issued it to each and every living thing
[all life comes from god..we are the mortal heirs of the immortal good god]

the wiki is our inheritance
to bailout the nations

i put the deal to the pope[hrh]
and was locked up and reviled for my efforts
it shouldnt be too hard to restore true values..with a primise to pay debt in hemp seed..[ie it is the base for 35,000 different products]

35,000 fruits every day
let alone 12 [one per month]
it only takes hrh..[and that other pope]..to say its gods will

and its done
someone needs to lobby the popes
saying.."sign the wikiseed treaty now"