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The Right To Assembly

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Thinker 2,
Could you refrain using the term "right winger"? There is no right wing in this country,I know what you're trying to get at but there are no such organisations at work in the community.
Both Leftists and "respectable" conservatives like Abbott, Katter, Nile and Jones all agree, Globalist capitalism sitting atop Second generation Communism (Scientific Racism as distinct from Scientific materialsm)is the final, be all and end all of human endeavour.
I oppose them all with equal vehemence because they are TRAITORS, the immigration and Racial issues hurt them because they expose their genocidal agenda in White countries, that may even be their Achilles heel.
So are you also prepared to use the full spectrum of issues and to take them down by any means necessary under the rules or under the law, without breaking those rules or breaking the laws?
Illegalism and violence doesn't work, we know that the empire can withstand everything up to a WW2 scale event and emerge even stronger so why are people still using those tactics?
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 24 October 2011 8:38:30 PM
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Dear Lexi,

Thank you for taking the time to consider my point. Perhaps the thought that many of the F1 teams spend between $400 and $500 million dollars to take their show on the road each year might legitimise the attitude of some of the protesters about extravagance. Yet we pay for the privilege of bringing Bernie and his mates to Melbourne.

As to some of the protesters being professional agitators you are more than likely right, what self-respecting one would stay away. But should that de-legitimise the movement? A lazy analogy on my part might be to state that volunteer fire fighters are vastly over represented in the ranks of convicted arsonists, doesn't mean we should disband them.

Dear Pelican,

I too support the goals of the movement, as nebulous as they might seem to some, and while the problems in America with their blatantly bought politicians seem to be deserving of more vigorous action we are not without our own issues.

I love my capitalism, I love being a part of it, I love the excitement of starting a new business, I love the independence of being in charge of my own destiny, of succeeding or failing by my own hand. But I understand it needs to be kept on a leash, its excesses tempered, both at the top and the bottom.

So what would I have to protest about in this country? Well I hate the fact that the big four banks will gouge over $20 billion dollars purely in profits out of this country this year. That is $1000 for every man woman and child. I have never run a business with an overdraft but it was criminal to see how much I had to pay monthly to the bank when in the retail industry, all gouged out of our pockets.
Posted by csteele, Monday, 24 October 2011 9:10:16 PM
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I am angry that they are able to make profit margins over 30%. Who else manages that? I am pissed off that during the GFC they grew stronger while the smaller banks faltered yet what do they create? They are a service industry, that is it, nothing more, skimming profits at extraordinary rates from the rest of us.

I hate seeing the treasurer of my country having to stamp his feet like an impotent school boy when they raise the interest rates over the odds yet not have the balls to do anything about it. I loathe the fact they have managed to get their grubby paws on our monopolies, I grind my teeth every time I get a phone call from an overseas call centre about “my Telstra account”, or have to go to our privatised airport. I feel deep frustration at seeing the inroads private hospitals are making into our health system or private schools into our education system.

I want a return to governments committed to the best public health and education systems in the world. These were the pride of our nation. I want decent care for our elderly, and our returned service men and women. I want the stock of public housing replenished and I want our young graduates free from crippling debts that affect their chance of gaining a loan for their first house.

How to pay for it? German banks make ¼ the profit of ours. There is $15 billion right there.

I want negative gearing on housing abolished and the $5 billion a year it costs us in foregone taxes returned to the coffers. The banks will hate that too but so what.

I could go on but to to put it simply I want a curb put on the big banks, something that is included in the agenda of all who support this movement and only those with their heads in the sand or snouts in the trough would be against.

Hell Yabby if the Mayor's job is still going I will take it.
Posted by csteele, Monday, 24 October 2011 9:11:32 PM
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*and only those with their heads in the sand or snouts in the trough would be against.*

Not so, Csteele, but only some understand the figures, which does
not seem to include you.

The reason why profits are high, is because its such a huge industry,
with around 2 trillion $ on the books. They earn a net 1% of that
after costs, so if they paid an extra 1% on deposits or charged
consumers 1% less, they would earn nothing. I doubt if investors
such as super funds, who own the majority of bank shares on behalf
of Australian workers (which is nearly all Australians), would
provide their capital for nothing.

So where do most of those profits land up? In super funds, for
the benefit of nearly all Australians and their retirement.
I don't think that is such a bad thing.

As to you and lord mayor, put your hand up and see if people
vote for you
Posted by Yabby, Monday, 24 October 2011 9:56:10 PM
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Occupy Melbourne, Sydney ... movements may be real chance for democracy
http://candobetter.net/node/2610

Read the comments section.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 24 October 2011 9:59:46 PM
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I am just thankful that the 95% plus people in the world who are poorer than these protestors are not protesting against the protesters. We would all be in trouble. It does not seem fair that the poor have to spend all day on the rice fields to feed their family while many of the uni students, socialist, dole bludgers, comos take a break because they envy those who have more than them no matter how hard they worked. I noticed a few Government payed Professors giving their nod of approval. The ABC seem to be able to source them very quickly. What a surprise?
Posted by runner, Monday, 24 October 2011 10:07:06 PM
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