belly/quote..""some DO go..to fight bash police..and make trouble.
Always has been like that.""

mate many have ben found to be agent provocateurs
[ie sent in to make the protest LOOK bad

""it is these INFECTIONS..that harm the cause,
turn some..who want to support..into ENEMY'S.""

so who gains..in a divided camp?
seems there are paid to pro-test...[those wearing black or army clothing]...and others there planted by those protested against..to make the people look like a rabble...then those sincerly there

in short it takes all types
[im reminded of the words wrote in a book[speak so gently]
that explains how the commies took over the 'christian solcialist party'..[it might be on google books search]..try to read pages 98/99

then..when..""If only ten remain,
get rid of the unwashed comrades!""

dah das is goot
thats what was done to lab-our party..and the greens

""such protests"'
such parties..[read demo-moc-rats]
""always die..at the actions of these groups,..they turn folk away.""

yep its allways been like that mate
[if you got numbers..its easier to take over
an old party..than create a new one]

""Media,we see it everyday, has its own slant, own self interest."'

media was bought out..and has sold out
mate brissie used to have 5 daily news papers
now we got imports and the sun pap

""Even clean protest will be defamed."'

yep
thats why you class the unwashed..as traiters
and refuse to join with 'the rabble'

""The contaminants within this movement,
some by intention, will kill it."'

wonder what their motivatiion is?
[in this case many went to wa for chogm]

how about them new laws..[that issued exclusion orders..to 50 'activists'...and things like guilt by assosiation re bikers]

protest is made to fail
dare to voice complaint..go directly to jail

[first they take out 'the head/spokesperson]
so we need no leaders..yet many spokes people

why we are forbidden the right to assemble[in peace]
cause economics needs war

The new government..of Iraq has made it clear
they will not grant immunity..for war crimes to American/troops

and any remaining..in Iraq
after Dec 31..(other than embassy guards) are subject to arrest.

In denying immunity,..the new Iraqi government..has shown the US to the door..and handed them their hat, er,..their helmet.

In other words,..the United States
just lost the Iraq war.

1...We never got Saddam's nuclear weapons,
because..they did not have any.

2...We did not revenge 9-11
because Iraq had nothing to do with it.

3. We did not punish Iraq for supporting Al Qaeda
because..Saddam and Al Qaeda were enemies.

4. We did not get all that much oil
because the new government of Iraq..is made up of people the US tortured,..or of people..who know people the US tortured,..and the oil contracts were handed out to everyone else.

and they just told the US to get out,
or face war crimes charges!

There is no real tangible way to claim that this war was a win for the United States. Billions spent, hundreds of thousands dead.

The only real winners are the bankers
to whom both sides are now deeply in debt.

now for ww3

how about gadfly[gladduffy]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuqZfaj34nc&feature=relmfu

THE MARK OF THE SLAVE
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/themarkoftheaslave.php

On January 1, 1863, President Abraham Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation, to make all men free.

On December 23rd, 1913, President Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act, to make all men slaves again.

When the dog dies, the fleas merely jump to a new dog."
http://lonestarwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/10/federal-reserve-bank-is-moral-hazard-to.html

http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/the-real-reason-for-the-uprisings/
http://www.zcommunications.org/a-movement-too-big-to-fail-by-chris-hedges

police realise they too are the 99
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/veterans-and-police-officers-support-occupy-wall-street-protesters.html

http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2011/10/paul-were-witnessing-failure-of_24.html
http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=23487
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-24/swiss-banks-said-ready-to-pay-billions-disclose-customer-names.html

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45013499

the odious debt bet

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=7494
http://dailybail.com/home/paul-volcker-its-time-to-regulate-money-market-funds-and-get.html

http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/2649739:BlogPost:693228
http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2011/10/real-reason-why-gadaffi-was-killed-why.html
http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2011/10/five-things-you-may-not-know-about.html
http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/10/did-john-bolton-just-admit-all-these.html

http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2011/10/what-would-happen-if-goldman-sachs.html
http://dailybail.com/home/occupy-ireland-make-bank-bondholders-pay-if-they-didnt-share.html
http://usmfreepress.org/2011/10/chemical-bomb-thrown-at-occupy-maine-camp-early-sunday-morning/
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=16436

fed audit
http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9e2a4ea8-6e73-4be2-a753-62060dcbb3c3
the U.S. provided a whopping $16 trillion in secret loans to bail out American and foreign banks and businesses during the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/10/european-union-chiefs-are-drawing-up.html
http://publicbanking.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/state-bank-trifold9-20110807.pdf

prediction?
http://presscore.ca/2011/?p=4808

I want what Csteele want's and I'm willing to bet that that is what most Australian's want,their country back. I want and end to newspapers with curtseys and kisses on their front page.

A minority Gov't achieved a massive and important progressive reform in the face of propaganda, massive funded misinformation campaigns, anything and everything inc sabotage,and News Ltd run kisses and curtseys on their front pages because it is not their intention not to report the problem they are the problem.

Would you not attempt Jay of Melbourne to infer that I'm advocating illegality or violence as a political method because that is typical of the sort of thing that I've had enough of. That is on the first page in the redneck "how to discredit your opponents handbook". Same as calling me a hippie or pro protester or unemployed with nothing better to do.

As Lexi has stated correctly so many times on this site, this Gov't is doing a good job overall and in the International community this fact is recognized and even awarded.

Murdoch has been able to take advantage of changes made by Howard in cross media ownership law to monopolize the flow of information. In his mind he knows that Australians like American's will believe anything their told if you keep repeating it often enough. And his buddies in business are far more important than freedom or environmental sustainability or the future beyond his lifetime.

I am sick of people like Abbott mouthing purpose built lies, misinformation and deliberate distortions in fact and truth without a minutes scrutiny,all for political motives alone and have you lot repeat this tripe over and over again.

Enough's enough Folks that's it and Lexi I'm afraid your on your own, but I admire your literacy and patience, in the face of views that would have embarrassed thinking people 20 yrs ago,from the shadow Ministers of the world, you keep trying to point out the facts without acknowledgement or even a counter argument.

Well written t2. Over the months the abbott supporters have changed horses midstream just like abbott. They know right from wrong but can not bring them-self to recognizing, just a little bit of injustice, on their behalf. They are in agony waiting for an election, which must seem like light-years away. International recognition is right on., then abbott slanders China. There's more appropriate people than abbott to handle situations, like that and get away with it. The abbott supporters , that is what they are, because you don't hear from any one else in the opposition, will demise along with mr abbott.

Thanks for your kind remark 579. Your right, the rules of engagement don't seem to apply to them (the Abbott opposition).

And thanks for resurrecting my faith a little in online discussion.

If we stop for a minute and identify the people in black hats (choosing badly an old fashioned metaphor), I think we would be best serving ourselves at this point in human history.

In todays news, we were informed that Wikileaks has been financially knobbled by the banks and can't get their donations, resulting in a suspension of the service. Comments were made by media people like "how would Julian Assange feel if his emails were made public ?".

I would like to ask the employer of that same pap/pop journalist; "How would the family of Milly Dowler in the UK feel about having their phones and emails hacked and their privacy illegally penetrated and their suffering exploited for financial gain ?.

It's clear to me whom it is wearing the black hat in that situation and protesters and the right to assembly are hardly the villians' or the advocates of violence in this case. Nor is whistle blowing a bad thing.

In fact the actions of Vic Police (their viewpoint perhaps tempered with a big payrise to boot) stormed the protesters in, (from what I witnessed on TV), enthusiastic acts of needless and wanton violence.

If it was one of our children subjected too that by the Police, I'm sure I would be upset. I am also concerned about the urging for such activity by political figures such as Doyle and the Ballieau Gov't/minister and mirrors the behaviour of the WA Gov't in shooting white pointers with shotguns as a solution to shark attacks. What are they thinking ?.

Sabotaging the clean energy future with new coal driven developments seems to be the main focus of all 3 newly elected Liberal State Govt's. Quelling dissent so publicly and stridently, seems to be a new development in the puzzle. To me it seems like it's full steam backwards, if they/Abbott succeed nationally. I hope they don't succeed 579.

csteele
"I love my capitalism, I love being a part of it, I love the excitement of starting a new business, I love the independence of being in charge of my own destiny, of succeeding or failing by my own hand. But I understand it needs to be kept on a leash, its excesses tempered, both at the top and the bottom."

That is a good way to sum it up.

Unfortunately the big end of town often decries any suggestion of collective interest until there are bail outs on offer then the become the biggest Communists of them all. :)