Two lesbians have shown us what we have to look forward to as we continue to allow kids to grow up in unnatural environment.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/well-stop-puberty-so-tommy-can-become-tammy-lesbian-couple-want-to-help-boy-to-become-girl/story-e6frf7lf-1226169513017

kids follow egsamples..of their 'par-rents'
its only natural

there is nothing 'inevit-able'
we each have free will..god dont hate no-one

itsc tyime religeon got the love bug
jesus said love thy neigh-bour

heck if them lesser bians..lived next door
even i wiould try to love them

i know its upseting..but when we look into it kids love dressup
heck even our leaders like to pretend their god

im upset at bob browbn...and wtrong penny
but not because their gay..but because their wrong

how goes that saying
hate the deed not the being
play the ball not the man's balls

nothing is inevitable
jesus may not come back
he said i go to build you a place in our fathers house
this place belongs to satan..

better to live in hell here for one lifetime
than chose to live in hell for eternity

in heaven no complaint is heard
its fuill of people loving each other
hell is full of people seeing fault in others
its full of complaint..hell is where complainers chose to go

jesus said love god[good]
by trying to love neighbour
[turn the other cheek]

ok i dont hate bob and penny
but hate what they do

and as long as they do it for l;ove
not revenge...and it dont bring people into anger[into hell]

well is their love of the deed
worthy of my going to hell?

Firstly there is no acknowledgment by runner of gender confusion in children of heterosexual parents. And that the majority of children of same-sex relationships are content with the gender of which they are born.

However, that said I would assume (as the linked article states) an eleven year old is not mature enough to make these decisions and that instead of parents encouraging a gender transformation at this age, they should let things alone and allow time for things to take their natural course.

The fact is some children are born into the 'wrong' gender believing strongly that they are the opposite of what their genitalia would dictate. It can happen at a very young age, however in the context of making the right decisions it would seem to me, a decision an adult should make rather than a young child who is still processing these difficult issues.

If there is any issues around forcing the boy to become a girl that is also a different matter, but is there any evidence that this is the case. It is too easy to jump to the worst conclusions in these sorts of cases given there still exists a lot of residual hatred for homosexuality - no matter how it is dressed.

Let's not jump into attack mode until more is known about this particular case.

What does this mean?

"Envitable"

I wondered the same, The Blue Cross.

>>What does this mean? "Envitable"<<

I took it as a combination of inevitable - the outcome is certain - and enviable, the outcome is highly desired.

Which is odd. Not runner's standard approach at all to a topic of this nature. He is usually dead against other people whose lifestyle doesn't match his own.

But maybe he is growing up. who knows.

I assumed runner meant 'Inevitable' and proceeded accordingly. I am the last to make issue with typos.

thanks for being gracious Pelican. I am a bad speller at the best of times but am having difficulty using my computer without a mouse.

Dear runner,

I have to admit that I also find it rather
disturbing that this couple is taking the
course of action that they are with their
child. To me - it's a bit premature, to say
the least. An eleven year old is far to
young to be given any sort of medication
(which could have serious side-effects) to
deal with what could essentially be a mental
problem. I wouldn't blame their sexual orientation
on the way they're inappropriately handling the problem.
Any parent can make dreadful mistakes regarding
their children. This only shows that their human.

It is quite true, too early to know
Too early to act in the child's case
And in time we may know more,we need to as has been said know a great deal more.
Runner bats for Christianity, but a version of it I have not seen before.

Pericles and Blue Cross. How typical to pick on obvious mis-spelling rather than comment on the subject.
By your absence of revulsion, can I assume that you think what these lessies are doing to this poor kid is OK?

Just when you think society can't become any sicker.....

Come to think of it, I'm a millionaire born into the wrong body and family. Can someone fix this for me?

This is only in the news because the parents are lesbian, which is ridiculous of course. And it doesn't mention once in the article that the parents are forcing anything on the child. That is just assumptions made by people ignorant of the facts.

For every gender dysphoric child raised by a gay couple, there must be thousands raised by straight couples.

And guess what, the ones raised by gay couples are probably one hundred times less likely to commit suicide.

TrashcanMan

'This is only in the news because the parents are lesbian, which is ridiculous of course'
No this is in the news because I would imagine that much of society is sick of the homosexual agenda that places its own self interest above that of children. It also shows how sexual confusion largely comes from not having a loving father and mother role model. It comes as no suprise also that this is California where failed socialist ideology is heavily embraced.

runner,

you've missed my point, unsurprisingly.

How do you explain the existence of the majority of gender dysphoric people who are raised by heterosexual couples?

You have here ONE example of a child with this problem occuring with a same-sex couple and here you are on a witch-hunt.

Yet it is children growing up with HETEROSEXUAL parents that are more likely to commit suicide rather than tell their "male role-model" that they are gay.

And you claim to be protecting children? How about not demonising gay people so that teenagers and young people don't feel the need to resort to suicide.

Well said Trashcanman.
Any parent, regardless of their sexuality, should not allow their children to have any form of gender resignment until they are adults.

As soon as I noticed this sad story on the TV last night, I just knew that some nasty posters on this forum would be crowing about the 'good fortune of finding such a child with two lesbian parents.

Oh how wonderful that all the nasty comments on the disgusting practice of homosexuality , and children belonging to gay couples, are now vindicated because one poor eleven year old boy has gender confusion issues.

How happy you must feel Runner?

I wonder then what causes the gender confusion amongst the much larger group of kids belonging to heterosexual, married couples then Runner?
You are a disgrace in your obvious joy at this poor child's angst.

Suseonline you write

'How happy you must feel Runner?

I wonder then what causes the gender confusion amongst the much larger group of kids belonging to heterosexual, married couples then Runner?
You are a disgrace in your obvious joy at this poor child's angst.''

If you call wanting to vomit being happy well so be it. Your judgemental bile is not uncommon from those who try and defend the indefensible. If you can't see the gender confusion among kids due to the lack of male role models there is no chance in you accepting what is very obvious. Continue to spew your bile but it won't change obvious outcomes. Just find another úniversity study'to back up your warped acceptance of what is no unnatural.

Dear runner,

I also feel that any young person should not be allowed
to have any drugs - to help them contemplate any
sex changes until they are adults.

I'm not sure how the laws work in California - but surely
they must have laws in place to protect children against
such inappropriate parental decisions. There must be
something more to this particular case that we're not
being told. I just don't understand how this is
being allowed and that nothing is being done about it.

Pelican I agree with your overview.

Aside I consider sexuality thus:
There are two "evolutionary" sexes, hetro and homo. Whereas bisexuality can be described as an abomination based on my logic that it is a life style choice issue, the other two are not. I speculate how many homosexuals there would be if the draconian laws of the past were in place today. The poor buggers (no pun) who frequented public toilets and beats were constantly arrested by the authorities and beaten by the citizenry; I doubt a bi sexual would do it again after one arrest or one beating, he gives up buggery with no psychological crucifixion.

UOG, I agree with the vast majority of your moral compass directions, but homosexuality is not a life style choice, as I said bi is. As god designed hetro's to procreate he cursed some with homosexuality, I say this because next to the marginalization and persecution of the Jews the longest lived most despised others are homosexuals, not a choice any of us would make if we lived in past times.

Re the dykes and the kid, stupid cows, let nature take its own course, these girls are probably bi, bloody imposters. I say this because I have witnessed the psychological trauma adolescent homosexuals endure as they become aware of themselves and the separate world they inhabit to the rest of us, let nature take its course.

It's not entirely the fault of those wicked lesbians.

Surely their heterosexual parents must share some of the blame for how their children turned out.

Excellent point Wobbles :-)

Runner, what about the gay and gender confused kids of married, heterosexual couples?
Given the much smaller numbers of gay parents out there, one can logically conclude that the bulk of these people are born to heterosexual parents.

If as you seem to suggest, some of the dreadful 'fatherless' households are responsible for these gay and gender confused kids, then why aren't they ALL 'causing' these 'abominations?

Could it be that people are actually BORN that way, given that gay and gender confused kids can be born to ANY family?
It's quite a simple question really. No vileness intended...

We do it every time.
We take sides based not on best interests of the child but our ideas about sex.
About politics, about left or right.

First not mum and mums rights, not an issue.
The Child's rights are the issue.
And this Child is too young to make a choice.
Yes, like it or not same sex couples will continue to exist.
We have no real right to other than let them.
And they must see to the child's best interests not theirs.
While much is unknown age is not.
It is far too early, for this Child .
And, like it or not those closer must look after its interests.

Pelican,how can things run thier natural cause,in an un natural environment?

Belly,

The point of the therapy is to buy time so the child can make the decision when he's a little older. It gives doctors/psychologists time to assess whether it's a genuine case or something else.

They accept he is too young to make such a decision, and this gives him time before the onset of puberty, which is usually a very traumatic experience for people with this condition.

Suseonline

Do you consider that women who have been married and had children and then decided they were lesbians in their 50's were born that way. Some people think that they are born predisposed to wanting sex with animals or children. They have a choice whether they carry this through. Again you are being deliberately naive not to see that denying giving this child a father as well as being brought up in an unnatural relationship can't help but to pervert the poor kids view of life. Welfare dependant kids often learn from their parents, belief or non belief in God is often learn't from parents, morals or lack of them are modelled by parents. To castrate a boy brought up by lesbians at the age of 11 is a sick result of very sick public policy. The selfishness of these woman should not of over riden the rights of the poor child.

Runner,

Chances are this child was the product of IVF, so he wouldn't even be born if it wasn't for these two ladies. Not having a father is not too much of a trade off over being alive.

A good point Trashy.

IVF for homosexuals is a sore point with many. It should not be made available to any who are capable of conceiving naturally. This is just a waste of resources, which could be better used elsewhere.

Most life choices have consequences, why should not the same apply to the choices of homosexuals?

That couple deserve to be condemned for their actions - not for who they are.

There is currently a hetero couple in the news facing charges of murdering their daughter and another straight couple recently sentenced in the US for a similar crime.

Has anybody bothered raising their sexuality as a connection for their crimes or claiming that it was inevitable?

When it comes down to it, Jesus had two fathers.

rache:>>When it comes down to it, Jesus had two fathers<<

rache top line, many thanks.

rash quote...""When it comes down to it,
Jesus had two fathers.""

rache we all do
the father god..who gives all life

and the means father..who choses who gets the living sperm
as well as the mot-her...with the living egg..who picks which of the fathers potential fathers gets his shot..at becomming a father.

god is the father of all life
god is everyones 'father'..[just as god is everyones mother]

yes you will say two fathers
but of truth only one..which we all share

anyhow
as...['ye shall call him emmanuel''..]..;jesus?
was raised by joseph..[as his parent
husband of his 'wife']

the joke of having two fathers
hardly makes any man unique
we are all children
of the one father

thus jesus said ''se that ye see me do....
ye shall do greater''..]..
greater than god?..
[of course not]

[thats usually the next..wrong inferance]
[that the son..is his own father]..how insane is that?

anyhow so much for inevitable
the only true inevatibility..is life comes from life
[thus invalidating evolutions hypothesis..of life from nothing
or by accident..rather than design..

[the next illogical progression..
of the preceeding others il-logicalities

[the other two are the lie of a 'day of judgment'
and some reserction 'day'..life is energy..[energy cant be created,nor destroyed]..a LIVING sperm..comes into a Living egg]

and science claiming to 'make life'
yet using gods egg..well thats a lie too

Runner, we have had this silly discussion before, many times... sigh.
Because of the awful nastiness of many so-called Christians and others, homosexual people have often had to live a life of lies, and try to live as heterosexual.
This can only last so long.

Imagine any of us heterosexuals being 'made' to act as homosexuals for any length of time, because all the gay people thought heterosexuals were 'abominations'?

Only really unfeeling, nasty people would demand that we all had sex/loved only members of the opposite sex.
It is just too awful really.

Oneundergod, I was just wondering which God 'fathered' all the children of atheists and believers of non-christian gods?
Who 'fathered' all the kiddies before Jesus was supposedly born?

suzzz..its hard to reply
a wrong question with a correct reply

""Who 'fathered' all the kiddies
before Jesus was supposedly born?""

the same [the one good god:..grace/mercy/love/logic/life]
who created every living thing..
who sustains
all living beings..their very lives...

the same hioly living spirit..that has done this
since before christ..as well as after christ...

as long as a life lives..
its the god of creation..[all creation]..that sustains its living..

we get confused by assuming this good god..needs a name
that parroting some name...is like a child pestering a parent
that repeating it gets them some advantage..makes them special

allows ONLy them to be 'his people'
or only them to get into heaven

again we approach madness..in saying we alone are his
all the rest [majority]..of you..are not

so tell me ohhh chosen ones
if god gave you life
who gave the rest of us life
[as there is more of us..and less of you
clearly some elitist=isms...have enterd into your ego

think the god of life supports to live
the least equally the most...sustains to live
equally the good and the vile...

[to sepperate the living from the dead..
[words from works]..those who claim he rejects anyone
is insane..there is god[good]...who gifts us a gift..then the rest of us[even his many sons]..who accept the gift..and live..[or reject the gift and yet live on in the hereafter

in short its a gift none can refuse
many may be called but were all...been chosen
to get it..

wether we 'get it' or not

Susionline

'Imagine any of us heterosexuals being 'made' to act as homosexuals for any length of time, because all the gay people thought heterosexuals were 'abominations'?

Imagine adults who liked young kids were 'made' to act as adults who loved adults for any length for time. Your arguement seems twisted to justify your bias or brainwashing.

b.t.w I know of no one who thinks 'gay'people are abominations. I do know believers and unbelievers unlike who agree that sodomy is very unhealthy and unnatural. Talk to a few doctors and you will find many agree.

Runner, paedophilia is a criminal act, and as such will never be 'allowed'.
Homosexuality is legal.
You need to come to terms with the difference between the two terms.
Look it up online and in dictionaries... educate yourself...

The only time I have ever been 'brainwashed' was by Catholic clergy and nuns when I was a child.
Luckily, I grew up and now think for myself.