phillo quote...":Are families able to teach their children that homosexuality is an unnatural act?""

we get to that pot kettle thing
two mr wongs cant make a miss right

in any marriage there is a 1 in 20 change..that the spouse
will molest a kid...[one in 4 of kids get molesterd..in standard mariages

would these odds go up
with a doubling up of one sex type?

we wont know till the kids finally dare speak up
decades later..[then there is the brain washing thing
or simply bathing with your spouces kids]

i refuse to think further on that

""Are Churches able to read..to their congreations letters of Paul""

of course my brother
thats what they do

""like Romans 1:26..Because of this,""

mate there is a lot of 'because of this'..
before that bit you quote

like..;24..''changed the truth of god''..[good/grace/mercy]
''to a lie...served the beast''[ie marriage/ritual/govt rite]..
''more that the living loving creator''

like 24..''lust''
ie we got many lusts

like 23..''changed gods perfect/living/loving/grace image''..'to corruptable man[like a man dying on a cross..or like the use of imagry of hell..or like we saying god is 3 when god is ONE

the one wholly spirit..never was matter/material

or like 22..'in professing..THEMSELVES
to be wise'['they became fools']..IE VILE AFFECTIONS..etc

""God gave them over to shameful lusts.""

yes as mentioned in 21...'cause they glorified him..NOT AS GOD..
neither were they thankfull..but became vain in their imagenings..and fololish hearts were dark-end''

like 20..''for the unseen things of him''
''from the creation of the world..are clearly seen..[light/love/logic..bias fear hate..emotive name calling blame shame etc]''being understood that they are things that are made''

[by men]..''even his eternal power..and godhead..
so that they are without excuse''..

every word must be read in context
we in the end learn not to judge others
so when we are required to judge ourselves
we dont judge ourselves too harshly...ie give grace to recieve grace

Dear Philo,

Thank you for your message, but, I believe, it is off topic.
We are discussing here the same sex marriage along its formal legal meanings.
As all the people must be equal before the law according to the UN Declaration for Human Rights, it is proposed that homosexual minority is discriminated in the Marriage Act, and their human right to choose a spouse is violated.
Moral, emotional, psychological, religious, etc. aspects of this issue present definite interest, but they are outside this discussion.
May I also suggest that, in Australia, religion and church are formally separated from the state, and not all of Australians are religious and obliged to follow religious values and instructions.
Thus, I find your references to religious sources and values inapplicable in the course of our discussion.

Lets not worry about what the UN says, there's plenty of guidelines that come from there , but it is the country at hand that has to take up those recommendations. So on the basis of that, labor is not going to change the law , and neither is catholic tony.

Andreas Berg',
My cultural and religious concerns are exactly on topic; as the Socialist Greens want Christianity, Islam and Judaism removed from society and this is one topic they can take legal action against those that teach homosexuality is a moral sin.

Homosexuality has never been accepted as normal sex.

"Homosexuality has never been accepted as normal sex.".

And, never will be. Amen.

Andreas Berg'

please do an honest study on disease rates among those practicing sodomy and you could not posiibly believe that we were designed for this activity. It is something that should not be modelled to kids if we are truely concerned about human rights. As said previously the UN pick and choose human rights according to their dogmas. This latest perversion is just one of them. If they really cared about human rights they would oppose babies being murdered in wombs.