And Jay of Melbourne,…Part two…

I would be interested in your comments from a more earthly perspective, since I hold your opinion in such high esteem, (and at the same time, cast a curse over your future happiness, with the wand of jealousy, that you (assumed) live at this moment within the vicinity of the MCG and in this coincidental moment of history, of the AFL grand-final 2011:… But onwards:…And to elaborate on your hypothesis of “off world and/or cosmic cycles applicable to outcomes of our “p#ssy” and manipulated, (mercilessly, at the moment, by the un-auspicious and hyper-redundant robotic manipulator, Bob Brown, in company with his red headed angel of death, Julia Gillard, (and doesn’t Julia Gillard believe in wearing stockings)?) small and insignificant lives here on earth; and in particular in terra firma Australia, where we fulfil our duty towards smothering obvious realities of political mayhem, by the sacrifice of panic, overlaid by calm exterior displays from the ABC TV, with its perpetual architectural backdrop, Parliament house Canberra; intended to resemble, assumable, the stability of the Australian Way of fairness and Justice to all, but failing with such misery, and representing as more a reminder of the Roman coliseum; the window-less relic, teetering under the gaze of the holy Roman see: And I must concede some ground here to the support of your belief in Astrology, this may be the sign, the euphemistic symbol, for which you and I both search; a sure sign of the rightful inclusion of power to be given by the Holy Roman See, to the very venerable Roman Catholic, with the ears of a rabbit and cunning of a fox, Tony Abbott: The ABC are onto it!

Ahhh Ha, I see Dan and Arjay are both cyclists.
>I'm only pointing out that these cycles are largely inevitable

However, except for small local oscillations, the cycles are over and
it is now time for the long descent. So much of our economies are
driven by oil and its derivities that nothing, or a range of energies,
can be developed in time to avoid the descent of energy consumption.
As someone said, there will only be overdeveloped countries or those that will never develop.

So don't fall off your bike, you will need them.

Don't you think it's fascinating that many of the Muslim asylum seekers emanate from countries from which the West has long derived its oil supplies. Obviously the infrastructure was put in place to extract the oil from the ground and to distribute it to the developed world...but the infrastructure to help people live rewarding lives was overlooked.

Or we have the example of Iraq, where infrastructure was in place, but was obliterated by a coalition of Western countries.

Seems somewhat like poetic justice that these people are now flocking to the West.

*but the infrastructure to help people live rewarding lives was overlooked.*

Hang on Poirot. If the West uses Western technology and capital
to develop a resource, then the West is seemingly exploiting the
third world. If the West gets involved beyond that in countries
affairs, the West is seemingly sticking its nose in other countries
business. The West can't win, in the eyes of the critic.

What really seems to be happening is that when the US military moves
into places like Iraq and Afghanistan, they bring with them and
spend huge amounts of US $, commonly earned by the locals in one
form or another. Suddenly some of them have enough money to
pay people smugglers, which they could not have afforded before.

We as soft touch suckers, (or rather some within our community) fall for it all

It is a bit like what Yabby says, but the rulers of those countries
hold most of the wealth for themselves but do feed some crumbs to the
population. Just enough to stop them rising in revolt.
However, things are changing, The North African nations are in oil
depletion and as income falls imported food has to rise in price.
Their populations have risen above what their land can feed & now that
food prices are no longer subsidised as much the population is revolting.

I think this is a more accurate reason for the rise in immigration from
moslem countries.

@ Diver Dan,
Now that's just silly! Growing up the only AFL spoken of in our house was the Anti Football League, my Dad thought Keith Dunstan's annual footy burning was the very height of wit.
I was making a point about cycles in relation to resource scarcity, population growth etc as they impact upon population movement.
Astrology was (is) the science of empire, it was used by kings to plot their moves toward hegemony, it stands to reason that imperialists today would also be exploiting those arts.